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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 1, 2015 12:06:33 GMT -5
For my echo I used a Teac 3340-S and a Teac 6 channel mixer. Worked really well. The very best "echo" effect out there back in the day, belonged to those few guys who figured out how to wire in a reel-reel tape deck with separate record and playback heads. With 3 different speeds, you could also adjust the echo "delay". Since very few people had the access and skills to do this well, it was a treat when one of them would appear on the air. Reverb effects used to be accomplished via mechanical springs. We had one local who held his mic near a guitar amp with reverb in it, and used that setup to do a "space invader" bit for a few laughs. What ruined the appeal of echo, was when digital delay chips became mainstream and affordable, and then every crazed yahoo could have one (and set it up wrong), and it was no longer a "cool" effect to listen to.
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Post by Night Ranger on Jun 1, 2015 14:21:47 GMT -5
For my echo I used a Teac 3340-S and a Teac 6 channel mixer. Worked really well. The very best "echo" effect out there back in the day, belonged to those few guys who figured out how to wire in a reel-reel tape deck with separate record and playback heads. With 3 different speeds, you could also adjust the echo "delay". Since very few people had the access and skills to do this well, it was a treat when one of them would appear on the air. Reverb effects used to be accomplished via mechanical springs. We had one local who held his mic near a guitar amp with reverb in it, and used that setup to do a "space invader" bit for a few laughs. What ruined the appeal of echo, was when digital delay chips became mainstream and affordable, and then every crazed yahoo could have one (and set it up wrong), and it was no longer a "cool" effect to listen to. Once again the cool gatchets of the techno elites was given to the masses for $$$ and ruined our fun! ..Kind of like the Internet, extra CB channels, .etc... "Cool" is something everyone else does not have, because once everyone else has it...It stops being "cool". Night Ranger
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 1, 2015 16:32:58 GMT -5
The very best "echo" effect out there back in the day, belonged to those few guys who figured out how to wire in a reel-reel tape deck with separate record and playback heads. With 3 different speeds, you could also adjust the echo "delay". Since very few people had the access and skills to do this well, it was a treat when one of them would appear on the air. Reverb effects used to be accomplished via mechanical springs. We had one local who held his mic near a guitar amp with reverb in it, and used that setup to do a "space invader" bit for a few laughs. What ruined the appeal of echo, was when digital delay chips became mainstream and affordable, and then every crazed yahoo could have one (and set it up wrong), and it was no longer a "cool" effect to listen to. Once again the cool gatchets of the techno elites was given to the masses for $$$ and ruined our fun! ..Kind of like the Internet, extra CB channels, .etc... "Cool" is something everyone else does not have, because once everyone else has it...It stops being "cool". Night Ranger That's pretty much it. When everyone is "cool", then no one is.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 1, 2015 16:33:57 GMT -5
For my echo I used a Teac 3340-S and a Teac 6 channel mixer. Worked really well. The very best "echo" effect out there back in the day, belonged to those few guys who figured out how to wire in a reel-reel tape deck with separate record and playback heads. With 3 different speeds, you could also adjust the echo "delay". Since very few people had the access and skills to do this well, it was a treat when one of them would appear on the air. Reverb effects used to be accomplished via mechanical springs. We had one local who held his mic near a guitar amp with reverb in it, and used that setup to do a "space invader" bit for a few laughs. What ruined the appeal of echo, was when digital delay chips became mainstream and affordable, and then every crazed yahoo could have one (and set it up wrong), and it was no longer a "cool" effect to listen to. Cool old school echo, reverb nothing like the old way!
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Post by cbrown on Jun 2, 2015 8:33:48 GMT -5
The very best "echo" effect out there back in the day, belonged to those few guys who figured out how to wire in a reel-reel tape deck with separate record and playback heads. The heads on the 3340-S were switchable so you could monitor the record head on one track while dubbing on another. It was a 4 track reel to reel.
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Post by "Doc"Hammer on Jun 2, 2015 12:33:32 GMT -5
Experimentation within the hobby makes it fun for me. The key word here is "fun" and I'm easily amused Boy, you can say that again!
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Post by No Streak on Jun 3, 2015 5:59:10 GMT -5
Well I wonder if Spitfire will this week's Classic Radio Roundup? Sure hope to hear the whole crew on SPEW! I think myself the classic to run tonight will be Johnson 250 with matching desk microphone. With a little power behind it. On the Starduster antenna to keep With the classic theme.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 3, 2015 6:12:27 GMT -5
Well I wonder if Spitfire will this week's Classic Radio Roundup? Sure hope to hear the whole crew on SPEW! I think myself the classic to run tonight will be Johnson 250 with matching desk microphone. With a little power behind it. On the Starduster antenna to keep With the classic theme. Well, Pete's planning on making an appearance tonight. Although he said the same thing to me last week so....... I think this week's theme will be a simple one: Just show up!
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Post by No Streak on Jun 3, 2015 6:16:04 GMT -5
Well I wonder if Spitfire will this week's Classic Radio Roundup? Sure hope to hear the whole crew on SPEW! I think myself the classic to run tonight will be Johnson 250 with matching desk microphone. With a little power behind it. On the Starduster antenna to keep With the classic theme. Well, Pete's planning on making an appearance tonight. Although he said the same thing to me last week so....... I think this week's theme will be a simple one: Just show up! Well maybe we have to book a appearance in advance? Kinda like a talk show does!
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Post by No Streak on Jun 4, 2015 5:14:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the shout Bagger. Dealing with kids but was listen. Tried making the trip on the Uniden 980SSB with the wireless microphone running 100 watts. But due to all the noise I think it was a no go. Good to hear Spitfire in there and Sparky,Ron, Sandbagger. And I have to say that skip picked up on the after hours show with Sparky. You all sounded great, good pick of radio Sparky I have a Cobra 139gtl myself good talking radio. I think Bagger has one too if my memory serves me right.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 4, 2015 6:14:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the shout Bagger. Dealing with kids but was listen. Tried making the trip on the Uniden 980SSB with the wireless microphone running 100 watts. But due to all the noise I think it was a no go. Good to hear Spitfire in there and Sparky,Ron, Sandbagger. And I have to say that skip picked up on the after hours show with Sparky. You all sounded great, good pick of radio Sparky I have a Cobra 139gtl myself good talking radio. I think Bagger has one too if my memory serves me right. Yea, it was a light turnout for CRR, with no Night Train, Skeeter, Tim, Nitro etc. The F layer skip hung on through the early hours of the roundup, with Sweaty Maria and her south of the boarder compadres keeping the S meter from dropping low enough to hear those distant locals. The E layer stuff started to pick up later on and we made a few contacts with a couple of guys in the midwest, and someone in Georgia. I decided, at the last minute, on an impromptu theme for the night (at least for me), and that was "Manic Mobile Madness", as I switched between 4 low budget AM mobile rigs. They were (for anyone counting) A Midland 13-862b, An original Cobra 29, A Uniden 510XL, and a JC Penney 6412. The first 2 were 23 channel, the last 2 were 40 channel. Sparky was running an original 23 channel Cobra 139. And you're right, I have 2 (count 'em!) 139's and a 139XLR 40 channel version. Pete's having some trouble nailing down the issue in the modulator of his B&W 5100, so he was running a simple JC Penney Pinto 23 channel SSB rig which, for some reason, sounds really good. Hopefully we'll do it again next week......
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Post by No Streak on Jun 4, 2015 7:09:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the shout Bagger. Dealing with kids but was listen. Tried making the trip on the Uniden 980SSB with the wireless microphone running 100 watts. But due to all the noise I think it was a no go. Good to hear Spitfire in there and Sparky,Ron, Sandbagger. And I have to say that skip picked up on the after hours show with Sparky. You all sounded great, good pick of radio Sparky I have a Cobra 139gtl myself good talking radio. I think Bagger has one too if my memory serves me right. Yea, it was a light turnout for CRR, with no Night Train, Skeeter, Tim, Nitro etc. The F layer skip hung on through the early hours of the roundup, with Sweaty Maria and her south of the boarder compadres keeping the S meter from dropping low enough to hear those distant locals. The E layer stuff started to pick up later on and we made a few contacts with a couple of guys in the midwest, and someone in Georgia. I decided, at the last minute, on an impromptu theme for the night (at least for me), and that was "Manic Mobile Madness", as I switched between 4 low budget AM mobile rigs. They were (for anyone counting) A Midland 13-862b, An original Cobra 29, A Uniden 510XL, and a JC Penney 6412. The first 2 were 23 channel, the last 2 were 40 channel. Sparky was running an original 23 channel Cobra 139. And you're right, I have 2 (count 'em!) 139's and a 139XLR 40 channel version. Pete's having some trouble nailing down the issue in the modulator of his B&W 5100, so he was running a simple JC Penney Pinto 23 channel SSB rig which, for some reason, sounds really good. Hopefully we'll do it again next week...... I see you guys are into the Jcpenny radios I really never thought much about them myself. I take they preform well? At least the base mobile units? But yes that Cobra 139gtl 23 channel I run mine with a Silver eagle and I have alot of people ask me what are you on that thing sounds good. Thinking I'll say yes it's a RCI export radio. When they hear it's a 35 year old radio they are like holy crap. And wow I thought you said before you didn't have that many mobiles you got three together in minutes to execute (Operation Mobile Madness.)
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 4, 2015 8:36:50 GMT -5
Yea, it was a light turnout for CRR, with no Night Train, Skeeter, Tim, Nitro etc. The F layer skip hung on through the early hours of the roundup, with Sweaty Maria and her south of the boarder compadres keeping the S meter from dropping low enough to hear those distant locals. The E layer stuff started to pick up later on and we made a few contacts with a couple of guys in the midwest, and someone in Georgia. I decided, at the last minute, on an impromptu theme for the night (at least for me), and that was "Manic Mobile Madness", as I switched between 4 low budget AM mobile rigs. They were (for anyone counting) A Midland 13-862b, An original Cobra 29, A Uniden 510XL, and a JC Penney 6412. The first 2 were 23 channel, the last 2 were 40 channel. Sparky was running an original 23 channel Cobra 139. And you're right, I have 2 (count 'em!) 139's and a 139XLR 40 channel version. Pete's having some trouble nailing down the issue in the modulator of his B&W 5100, so he was running a simple JC Penney Pinto 23 channel SSB rig which, for some reason, sounds really good. Hopefully we'll do it again next week...... I see you guys are into the Jcpenny radios I really never thought much about them myself. I take they preform well? At least the base mobile units? But yes that Cobra 139gtl 23 channel I run mine with a Silver eagle and I have alot of people ask me what are you on that thing sounds good. Thinking I'll say yes it's a RCI export radio. When they hear it's a 35 year old radio they are like holy crap. And wow I thought you said before you didn't have that many mobiles you got three together in minutes to execute (Operation Mobile Madness.) Actually, I have quite a few working mobiles (I think I can count 14). I just don't make it a point to deliberately collect them, they just happen to "show up" now and then. Since they're not worth much to sell, and I can't bear to toss out something that works, they remain and accumulate. So my pile of mobile radios is the result of about 25 years worth of wheels and deals, trades for services rendered, and rigs that their original owners gave up on. Some of them are in decent cosmetic shape. Others (like the Cobra 29 and Midland 13-862b) are a bit rough. My J.C. Penney radio is nothing special. It's a 1st generation 40 channel AM Cybernet PLL02a board, not any different from those similar vintage radios from Midland, GE, Kraco, Lafayette and others. Because I have nothing invested in it, I used it as a platform to experiment. I added FM to it, and an export-style adder chip channel expansion up and down 40 channels. So it's not truly a "vintage classic" in original condition, as I normally prefer. Pete inherited the one he has, and it's become another "accidental classic" for him, as it really does work well.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 4, 2015 9:33:12 GMT -5
I see you guys are into the Jcpenny radios I really never thought much about them myself. I take they preform well? At least the base mobile units? But yes that Cobra 139gtl 23 channel I run mine with a Silver eagle and I have alot of people ask me what are you on that thing sounds good. Thinking I'll say yes it's a RCI export radio. When they hear it's a 35 year old radio they are like holy crap. And wow I thought you said before you didn't have that many mobiles you got three together in minutes to execute (Operation Mobile Madness.) Actually, I have quite a few working mobiles (I think I can count 14). I just don't make it a point to deliberately collect them, they just happen to "show up" now and then. Since they're not worth much to sell, and I can't bear to toss out something that works, they remain and accumulate. So my pile of mobile radios is the result of about 25 years worth of wheels and deals, trades for services rendered, and rigs that their original owners gave up on. Some of them are in decent cosmetic shape. Others (like the Cobra 29 and Midland 13-862b) are a bit rough. My J.C. Penney radio is nothing special. It's a 1st generation 40 channel AM Cybernet PLL02a board, not any different from those similar vintage radios from Midland, GE, Kraco, Lafayette and others. Because I have nothing invested in it, I used it as a platform to experiment. I added FM to it, and an export-style adder chip channel expansion up and down 40 channels. So it's not truly a "vintage classic" in original condition, as I normally prefer. Pete inherited the one he has, and it's become another "accidental classic" for him, as it really does work well. Now Sears Road Talker, Realistic made kinda the same unit are using the same board inside? Its funny back in the day I wouldn't have given these radios a second look. But now I kinda look at them as wow how did I miss that diamond in the ruff. I guess back when I was younger it was all about Browning, Tram, Sonar, and overlooked some really nice radios that really can shine in there own way.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 4, 2015 11:51:23 GMT -5
Actually, I have quite a few working mobiles (I think I can count 14). I just don't make it a point to deliberately collect them, they just happen to "show up" now and then. Since they're not worth much to sell, and I can't bear to toss out something that works, they remain and accumulate. So my pile of mobile radios is the result of about 25 years worth of wheels and deals, trades for services rendered, and rigs that their original owners gave up on. Some of them are in decent cosmetic shape. Others (like the Cobra 29 and Midland 13-862b) are a bit rough. My J.C. Penney radio is nothing special. It's a 1st generation 40 channel AM Cybernet PLL02a board, not any different from those similar vintage radios from Midland, GE, Kraco, Lafayette and others. Because I have nothing invested in it, I used it as a platform to experiment. I added FM to it, and an export-style adder chip channel expansion up and down 40 channels. So it's not truly a "vintage classic" in original condition, as I normally prefer. Pete inherited the one he has, and it's become another "accidental classic" for him, as it really does work well. Now Sears Road Talker, Realistic made kinda the same unit are using the same board inside? Its funny back in the day I wouldn't have given these radios a second look. But now I kinda look at them as wow how did I miss that diamond in the ruff. I guess back when I was younger it was all about Browning, Tram, Sonar, and overlooked some really nice radios that really can shine in there own way. Back in the day, people assumed that each brand of radio was unique in design and manufacture. This was probably true in the early 1960's, when we still had American made tube rigs. But by the 70's, just about every brand of solid state (and most remaining tube rigs), was manufactured by a small handful of Japanese companies. Uniden, Cybernet, Panasonic, Toshiba, NDI, GRE, and maybe a couple of others pretty much built them all. Subtle cosmetic differences were the only things that kept these radios looking somewhat unique. Yes, the JC Penney Pinto that Pete has is pretty much the same radio as the Sears Roadtalker of the same vintage, as well as Radio Shack's TRC-48. I used to chuckle at people who used to trash talk certain brands of radios. I can remember one guy telling another that his Cobra was light years better than the Realistic the other guy was running. Little did he know, but the two radios had the exact same boards inside.... Back in the day, Brownings and Trams were the radios everyone dreamed of owning. But there were not enough yards in the neighborhood that could be cut in a summer to afford one of those. No, back then, it was Midland vs. Realistic vs. Lafayette. And there was Cobra vs. SBE. Those were the most popular brands that the locals owned.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 4, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -5
Now Sears Road Talker, Realistic made kinda the same unit are using the same board inside? Its funny back in the day I wouldn't have given these radios a second look. But now I kinda look at them as wow how did I miss that diamond in the ruff. I guess back when I was younger it was all about Browning, Tram, Sonar, and overlooked some really nice radios that really can shine in there own way. Back in the day, people assumed that each brand of radio was unique in design and manufacture. This was probably true in the early 1960's, when we still had American made tube rigs. But by the 70's, just about every brand of solid state (and most remaining tube rigs), was manufactured by a small handful of Japanese companies. Uniden, Cybernet, Panasonic, Toshiba, NDI, GRE, and maybe a couple of others pretty much built them all. Subtle cosmetic differences were the only things that kept these radios looking somewhat unique. Yes, the JC Penney Pinto that Pete has is pretty much the same radio as the Sears Roadtalker of the same vintage, as well as Radio Shack's TRC-48. I used to chuckle at people who used to trash talk certain brands of radios. I can remember one guy telling another that his Cobra was light years better than the Realistic the other guy was running. Little did he know, but the two radios had the exact same boards inside.... Back in the day, Brownings and Trams were the radios everyone dreamed of owning. But there were not enough yards in the neighborhood that could be cut in a summer to afford one of those. No, back then, it was Midland vs. Realistic vs. Lafayette. And there was Cobra vs. SBE. Those were the most popular brands that the locals owned. Wow see you learn something everyday I kinda thought they were the same but wasn't sure. As for Browning didn't get my first one till I was in my 20's. After hearing this guy ( Shorty and One Eye Jack) on Ch32 every Sunday them guys get on in the morning and talk. And that ping was like the neatest thing to me I had to get one. And Shorty never gave breaks unless you had a Browning. And at that time nobody was running them this is about 1985. And everybody at that time was running Cobra 2000's, at least in my area and I was kinda new to the whole cb thing at that time. Back in the 1970's Ch 2 was the Browning Channel back in day in my area. You didn't get a break if you didn't have a Browning. And Shorty came from that channel. But they said Shorty was a nasty prick to deal with anyway.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 4, 2015 20:40:13 GMT -5
Back in the day, people assumed that each brand of radio was unique in design and manufacture. This was probably true in the early 1960's, when we still had American made tube rigs. But by the 70's, just about every brand of solid state (and most remaining tube rigs), was manufactured by a small handful of Japanese companies. Uniden, Cybernet, Panasonic, Toshiba, NDI, GRE, and maybe a couple of others pretty much built them all. Subtle cosmetic differences were the only things that kept these radios looking somewhat unique. Yes, the JC Penney Pinto that Pete has is pretty much the same radio as the Sears Roadtalker of the same vintage, as well as Radio Shack's TRC-48. I used to chuckle at people who used to trash talk certain brands of radios. I can remember one guy telling another that his Cobra was light years better than the Realistic the other guy was running. Little did he know, but the two radios had the exact same boards inside.... Back in the day, Brownings and Trams were the radios everyone dreamed of owning. But there were not enough yards in the neighborhood that could be cut in a summer to afford one of those. No, back then, it was Midland vs. Realistic vs. Lafayette. And there was Cobra vs. SBE. Those were the most popular brands that the locals owned. Wow see you learn something everyday I kinda thought they were the same but wasn't sure. As for Browning didn't get my first one till I was in my 20's. After hearing this guy ( Shorty and One Eye Jack) on Ch32 every Sunday them guys get on in the morning and talk. And that ping was like the neatest thing to me I had to get one. And Shorty never gave breaks unless you had a Browning. And at that time nobody was running them this is about 1985. And everybody at that time was running Cobra 2000's, at least in my area and I was kinda new to the whole cb thing at that time. Back in the 1970's Ch 2 was the Browning Channel back in day in my area. You didn't get a break if you didn't have a Browning. And Shorty came from that channel. But they said Shorty was a nasty prick to deal with anyway. Our "Elite Operator" channel back in early-mid 70's, was channel 4. The op's on 4 formed a club called the "KMA" (You figure it out). Each member had their own KMA unit number. All of the ops there also ran big power (or what was considered "big" power back then). The only way you could get a break on channel 4, if you weren't a member of the club, was to have an impressive signal, at which point you might be invited to join the club. There were very few Brownings or Trams in my area. None of the teen crew could even come close to the price of admission. Heck, we were lucky to be able to afford a TRC-30a Navaho. The adults were mostly blue collar, and the best most could muster might be an SBE Console II or a Pearce Simpson Simba. Most of the Brownings we heard were all down toward the Big City (Cap't Coleslaw).
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Post by Night Ranger on Jun 4, 2015 21:22:27 GMT -5
Wow see you learn something everyday I kinda thought they were the same but wasn't sure. As for Browning didn't get my first one till I was in my 20's. After hearing this guy ( Shorty and One Eye Jack) on Ch32 every Sunday them guys get on in the morning and talk. And that ping was like the neatest thing to me I had to get one. And Shorty never gave breaks unless you had a Browning. And at that time nobody was running them this is about 1985. And everybody at that time was running Cobra 2000's, at least in my area and I was kinda new to the whole cb thing at that time. Back in the 1970's Ch 2 was the Browning Channel back in day in my area. You didn't get a break if you didn't have a Browning. And Shorty came from that channel. But they said Shorty was a nasty prick to deal with anyway. Our "Elite Operator" channel back in early-mid 70's, was channel 4. The op's on 4 formed a club called the "KMA" (You figure it out). Each member had their own KMA unit number. All of the ops there also ran big power (or what was considered "big" power back then). The only way you could get a break on channel 4, if you weren't a member of the club, was to have an impressive signal, at which point you might be invited to join the club. There were very few Brownings or Trams in my area. None of the teen crew could even come close to the price of admission. Heck, we were lucky to be able to afford a TRC-30a Navaho. The adults were mostly blue collar, and the best most could muster might be an SBE Console II or a Pearce Simpson Simba. Most of the Brownings we heard were all down toward the Big City (Cap't Coleslaw). I only remember hearing one Browning Golden Eagle locally back in the 1970s. It was owned by "Red Barron". He eventually opened up a CB shop, and then it became a ham radio store. I remember seeing one gigantic Moonraker or quad type beam around late 1975. I don't remember if it was 6 or 8 elements, but it was longer than the house it was parked over. I do remember hearing at least two Tram D201's on the air at the same time around early 1977. The big stations in the 1970s were; 1) Rack Man - It was rumored that he was shutdown for interfering with the airport control tower. 2) Yellow Rose - 8 tube Elkin, Sears Roadtalker and a Moonraker 4 on a tower 3) Jack of Diamonds/Queen of Diamonds - 70 foot tower and Moonraker 4. I don't know the radio or amp 5) Shade Tree - 8 tube Elkin and a Moonraker 4 on a tower. The radio is unknown. 6) The Devil - Midland 13-880b, Varmint XL-600, PDL-2 beam. Later there were bigger stations, but they did not come along until the 1980s or later. From 1986 to 1991 the CB "King of the Hill" in my home town was.....me, and I definitely had "the hill" top location. I was a thorn in "Swaney River's" side. He wanted to be the king of the hill". His Moonraker 6 dwarfed my .64 wave Radio Shack ground plane, but my "parting the clouds" antenna height from my hilltop location sent him to the back of the bus every time. He really did not like me. He he. For years my CB friend "Alexander The Great" kept looking for a house to buy on the same street I lived on just so he could be "on the hill" too. Mid 1980s big dogs in Rock Hill, S.C. 1) Swaney River - Cobra 2000, Varmint XL-1000, Moonraker 6 at 50 feet. 2) Night Ranger (at peak signal in 1986/1987) - Drake TR-7, Drake L-4B, and a 3 element vertical yagi at 85 feet up on top of the biggest hill in Rock Hill. 3) Sandy Sam - D&A Maverick and a Moonraker 4 at 70 feet. Now I live down close to the river in a hole, and my king of the hill days are over....unless I move. Night Ranger
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Post by No Streak on Jun 5, 2015 5:32:13 GMT -5
Our "Elite Operator" channel back in early-mid 70's, was channel 4. The op's on 4 formed a club called the "KMA" (You figure it out). Each member had their own KMA unit number. All of the ops there also ran big power (or what was considered "big" power back then). The only way you could get a break on channel 4, if you weren't a member of the club, was to have an impressive signal, at which point you might be invited to join the club. There were very few Brownings or Trams in my area. None of the teen crew could even come close to the price of admission. Heck, we were lucky to be able to afford a TRC-30a Navaho. The adults were mostly blue collar, and the best most could muster might be an SBE Console II or a Pearce Simpson Simba. Most of the Brownings we heard were all down toward the Big City (Cap't Coleslaw). I only remember hearing one Browning Golden Eagle locally back in the 1970s. It was owned by "Red Barron". He eventually opened up a CB shop, and then it became a ham radio store. I remember seeing one gigantic Moonraker or quad type beam around late 1975. I don't remember if it was 6 or 8 elements, but it was longer than the house it was parked over. I do remember hearing at least two Tram D201's on the air at the same time around early 1977. The big stations in the 1970s were; 1) Rack Man - It was rumored that he was shutdown for interfering with the airport control tower. 2) Yellow Rose - 8 tube Elkin, Sears Roadtalker and a Moonraker 4 on a tower 3) Jack of Diamonds/Queen of Diamonds - 70 foot tower and Moonraker 4. I don't know the radio or amp 5) Shade Tree - 8 tube Elkin and a Moonraker 4 on a tower. The radio is unknown. 6) The Devil - Midland 13-880b, Varmint XL-600, PDL-2 beam. Later there were bigger stations, but they did not come along until the 1980s or later. From 1986 to 1991 the CB "King of the Hill" in my home town was.....me, and I definitely had "the hill" top location. I was a thorn in "Swaney River's" side. He wanted to be the king of the hill". His Moonraker 6 dwarfed my .64 wave Radio Shack ground plane, but my "parting the clouds" antenna height from my hilltop location sent him to the back of the bus every time. He really did not like me. He he. For years my CB friend "Alexander The Great" kept looking for a house to buy on the same street I lived on just so he could be "on the hill" too. Mid 1980s big dogs in Rock Hill, S.C. 1) Swaney River - Cobra 2000, Varmint XL-1000, Moonraker 6 at 50 feet. 2) Night Ranger (at peak signal in 1986/1987) - Drake TR7, Drake L-4B, and a 3 element vertical yagi at 85 feet up on top of the biggest hill in Rock Hill. 3) Sandy Sam - D&A Maverick and a Moonraker 4 at 70 feet. Now I live down close to the river in a hole, and my king of the hill days are over....unless I move. Night Ranger Wow Moonraker 6 I don't think I have ever seen one in person but they are BIG. When you said your turning the house around you meant it, and on a 50 foot tower good God what a sight. As for that Varmint XL1000 I have one not in great shape but it did work at one time. I was always afraid to run the thing it weighted a ton and I'm sure it would be Zero Five approved as well. We had a PDL when I was a teenager only used the vertical side at the really didn't understand running flat side at the time. Used a TV rotor to turn it, poor man's setup about 25 foot off the ground. Now my buddy had a Heathkit linear which I think would do 1500 watts and you had to hit it with 100watts to key it and used a Galaxy Turbo into it, had to be foot keyed. And he had a BC-101 Astroplane the Italian version at the time. We ran that full load one night over 1000watts dosy meter reading with tons of echo and went though everything in his house. And blew up his neighbors TV set, he said the picture went crazy and then just shut off and didn't come back on again. Good thing he was cool about it just had to get it repaired. I didn't mind running that one full out because it wasn't at my house haha!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 5, 2015 7:12:27 GMT -5
Our "Elite Operator" channel back in early-mid 70's, was channel 4. The op's on 4 formed a club called the "KMA" (You figure it out). Each member had their own KMA unit number. All of the ops there also ran big power (or what was considered "big" power back then). The only way you could get a break on channel 4, if you weren't a member of the club, was to have an impressive signal, at which point you might be invited to join the club. There were very few Brownings or Trams in my area. None of the teen crew could even come close to the price of admission. Heck, we were lucky to be able to afford a TRC-30a Navaho. The adults were mostly blue collar, and the best most could muster might be an SBE Console II or a Pearce Simpson Simba. Most of the Brownings we heard were all down toward the Big City (Cap't Coleslaw). I only remember hearing one Browning Golden Eagle locally back in the 1970s. It was owned by "Red Barron". He eventually opened up a CB shop, and then it became a ham radio store. I remember seeing one gigantic Moonraker or quad type beam around late 1975. I don't remember if it was 6 or 8 elements, but it was longer than the house it was parked over. I do remember hearing at least two Tram D201's on the air at the same time around early 1977. The big stations in the 1970s were; 1) Rack Man - It was rumored that he was shutdown for interfering with the airport control tower. 2) Yellow Rose - 8 tube Elkin, Sears Roadtalker and a Moonraker 4 on a tower 3) Jack of Diamonds/Queen of Diamonds - 70 foot tower and Moonraker 4. I don't know the radio or amp 5) Shade Tree - 8 tube Elkin and a Moonraker 4 on a tower. The radio is unknown. 6) The Devil - Midland 13-880b, Varmint XL-600, PDL-2 beam. Later there were bigger stations, but they did not come along until the 1980s or later. From 1986 to 1991 the CB "King of the Hill" in my home town was.....me, and I definitely had "the hill" top location. I was a thorn in "Swaney River's" side. He wanted to be the king of the hill". His Moonraker 6 dwarfed my .64 wave Radio Shack ground plane, but my "parting the clouds" antenna height from my hilltop location sent him to the back of the bus every time. He really did not like me. He he. For years my CB friend "Alexander The Great" kept looking for a house to buy on the same street I lived on just so he could be "on the hill" too. Mid 1980s big dogs in Rock Hill, S.C. 1) Swaney River - Cobra 2000, Varmint XL-1000, Moonraker 6 at 50 feet. 2) Night Ranger (at peak signal in 1986/1987) - Drake TR7, Drake L-4B, and a 3 element vertical yagi at 85 feet up on top of the biggest hill in Rock Hill. 3) Sandy Sam - D&A Maverick and a Moonraker 4 at 70 feet. Now I live down close to the river in a hole, and my king of the hill days are over....unless I move. Night Ranger This can go in several directions (great topic though!!! ) First off, on the subject of the really big beams, there weren't too many of them in my area. Most people who ran beams (myself included) usually ran either a straight 3 element, an Avanti Astro Beam, or a PDL-2. There were a handful of Moonraker 4's (or their Wilson equivalents) around. I can recall only one 'Raker 6 (which came down in a heavy wind storm) in the area. There was also one op in the extreme northern boundary of Norristown who had a Super Laser 500 (yea, the one with the 40' boom). The strange thing was that I don't know who the guy was. I saw the antenna one day when I happened to drive by (hard to miss that monster), but I never heard the guy who ran it. Back then, I pretty much knew who all the regular ops were on all the local channels. There was only one other Laser 500 that I knew of back then, and that was on a high rise (The name of which at the time escapes me) just across the border off of City Line Ave. in Philadelphia, which was owned by the originator of the Shadow Traffic network. They came into being around 1976 with the unique idea of collecting traffic reports from CB operators on channel 19, and then disseminating them to the local media outlets. The beam allowed them to point toward the major roadways they wanted to monitor, while filtering out the stuff they didn't want to hear. They had the greater Phila. and south Jersey areas covered. But it wasn't without some controversy. As the "Shadow Network" expanded to more locations, the typical paranoid local CB ops in the area accused the "Shadow Base" of trying to take over and muscle other ops off the channel, and a big conflict ensued for a few months, before there was a big meeting called at a conference auditorium at the high rise where "the Shadow" discussed his vision and tried to put the paranoid fears of the local guys to rest. I, along with a few of our group drove down just to watch the sideshow. It was interesting and entertaining to say the least. I have to scratch my head to try and figure out who really were the "big dogs" (as opposed to who THOUGHT they were)in my area back in the day. The first thing I can say is that it was never me. For my first 29 years in radio, I lived in a creek valley at 125' ASL. Every direction except for SE was into the side of a gradual rise. My peak signal potential was probably in the 1983-84 timeframe when I had an Astro Beam on a 45' tower and a Maverick 250 amp. But even with all that, I was no match for guys living just about anywhere else in the general surrounding suburban areas, most of which were at least 100' higher than I was. During the early 70's, the big dogs were mostly on channel 4. The top dog there was a guy by the handle of Lamplighter, who ran a Yaesu FT-101B with the matching FL2100 amplifier and a PDL beam. Other "top dogs" included Cactus, who ran a Cobra 135 and a D&A Phantom. Then there was Wildcat, who lived just off of the Schuylkill Expressway, on top of the hill in Belmont Hills, and ran a Moonraker 4 with 300+ watts of power. It's actually tough to gauge top dogs back then because the people with the most power were usually less aggressive then and rarely did we have contests of power. Most of the worst egotists lived in the bowels of Norristown proper which was probably the only place where the average height ASL was worse than mine. It's tough to be a "big dog", when you live in a row house, with a postage stamp sized yard, at a ground height of 50'ASL. When I moved to my current location in 1999, I thought I was in radio heaven. I'm now at 400' ASL, and the difference is noticeable. But the downside of where I live now is that while I'm much higher in height than I used to be, I'm also flanked by hills that are even higher than I am. To my north, I'm blocked by a 1000' hill. To the south, there's a ridge of hills that range from 700 - 950'. Directly east there's a hill that's at the same height that I am. Due west there's the peak of the hill I'm on the side of at 650'. So my best directions are ENE, ESE, WNW, & WSW. The distances talked now are far greater than they were back in the day. In the 70's, most of my fellow radio op friends were closer than 2 miles away from me. Today, my very closest neighbor had been 3.5 miles away. There's a recent addition to the group who is about 1.5 miles from me now. Most of the rest of the CRR group are at least 10 - 15 miles away. I only personally knew 2 people who had Brownings back in the day. I knew of a few more further in the distance. I only knew one guy who had a D201. I once dated a girl who's base was a Tram Titan IIa. But that's pretty much it for those legendary tube rigs. There was one guy who had a CPI in the early 80's. I never even heard of Stoner until the age of the internet. Most serious SSB'er would make the jump to an HF ham rig, once they desired something better than the typical SSB CB base. So Stoner never made any inroads in my area. Since I started my website in 2003, and have communicated by all sorts of people who had very similar experiences that I had, during the same basic timeframe, it is interesting to read about the subtle differences in equipment and how their locales affected their choices in equipment.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 5, 2015 9:52:58 GMT -5
I only remember hearing one Browning Golden Eagle locally back in the 1970s. It was owned by "Red Barron". He eventually opened up a CB shop, and then it became a ham radio store. I remember seeing one gigantic Moonraker or quad type beam around late 1975. I don't remember if it was 6 or 8 elements, but it was longer than the house it was parked over. I do remember hearing at least two Tram D201's on the air at the same time around early 1977. The big stations in the 1970s were; 1) Rack Man - It was rumored that he was shutdown for interfering with the airport control tower. 2) Yellow Rose - 8 tube Elkin, Sears Roadtalker and a Moonraker 4 on a tower 3) Jack of Diamonds/Queen of Diamonds - 70 foot tower and Moonraker 4. I don't know the radio or amp 5) Shade Tree - 8 tube Elkin and a Moonraker 4 on a tower. The radio is unknown. 6) The Devil - Midland 13-880b, Varmint XL-600, PDL-2 beam. Later there were bigger stations, but they did not come along until the 1980s or later. From 1986 to 1991 the CB "King of the Hill" in my home town was.....me, and I definitely had "the hill" top location. I was a thorn in "Swaney River's" side. He wanted to be the king of the hill". His Moonraker 6 dwarfed my .64 wave Radio Shack ground plane, but my "parting the clouds" antenna height from my hilltop location sent him to the back of the bus every time. He really did not like me. He he. For years my CB friend "Alexander The Great" kept looking for a house to buy on the same street I lived on just so he could be "on the hill" too. Mid 1980s big dogs in Rock Hill, S.C. 1) Swaney River - Cobra 2000, Varmint XL-1000, Moonraker 6 at 50 feet. 2) Night Ranger (at peak signal in 1986/1987) - Drake TR7, Drake L-4B, and a 3 element vertical yagi at 85 feet up on top of the biggest hill in Rock Hill. 3) Sandy Sam - D&A Maverick and a Moonraker 4 at 70 feet. Now I live down close to the river in a hole, and my king of the hill days are over....unless I move. Night Ranger This can go in several directions (great topic though!!! ) First off, on the subject of the really big beams, there weren't too many of them in my area. Most people who ran beams (myself included) usually ran either a straight 3 element, an Avanti Astro Beam, or a PDL-2. There were a handful of Moonraker 4's (or their Wilson equivalents) around. I can recall only one 'Raker 6 (which came down in a heavy wind storm) in the area. There was also one op in the extreme northern boundary of Norristown who had a Super Laser 500 (yea, the one with the 40' boom). The strange thing was that I don't know who the guy was. I saw the antenna one day when I happened to drive by (hard to miss that monster), but I never heard the guy who ran it. Back then, I pretty much knew who all the regular ops were on all the local channels. There was only one other Laser 500 that I knew of back then, and that was on a high rise (The name of which at the time escapes me) just across the border off of City Line Ave. in Philadelphia, which was owned by the originator of the Shadow Traffic network. They came into being around 1976 with the unique idea of collecting traffic reports from CB operators on channel 19, and then disseminating them to the local media outlets. The beam allowed them to point toward the major roadways they wanted to monitor, while filtering out the stuff they didn't want to hear. They had the greater Phila. and south Jersey areas covered. But it wasn't without some controversy. As the "Shadow Network" expanded to more locations, the typical paranoid local CB ops in the area accused the "Shadow Base" of trying to take over and muscle other ops off the channel, and a big conflict ensued for a few months, before there was a big meeting called at a conference auditorium at the high rise where "the Shadow" discussed his vision and tried to put the paranoid fears of the local guys to rest. I, along with a few of our group drove down just to watch the sideshow. It was interesting and entertaining to say the least. I have to scratch my head to try and figure out who really were the "big dogs" (as opposed to who THOUGHT they were)in my area back in the day. The first thing I can say is that it was never me. For my first 29 years in radio, I lived in a creek valley at 125' ASL. Every direction except for SE was into the side of a gradual rise. My peak signal potential was probably in the 1983-84 timeframe when I had an Astro Beam on a 45' tower and a Maverick 250 amp. But even with all that, I was no match for guys living just about anywhere else in the general surrounding suburban areas, most of which were at least 100' higher than I was. During the early 70's, the big dogs were mostly on channel 4. The top dog there was a guy by the handle of Lamplighter, who ran a Yaesu FT-101B with the matching FL2100 amplifier and a PDL beam. Other "top dogs" included Cactus, who ran a Cobra 135 and a D&A Phantom. Then there was Wildcat, who lived just off of the Schuylkill Expressway, on top of the hill in Belmont Hills, and ran a Moonraker 4 with 300+ watts of power. It's actually tough to gauge top dogs back then because the people with the most power were usually less aggressive then and rarely did we have contests of power. Most of the worst egotists lived in the bowels of Norristown proper which was probably the only place where the average height ASL was worse than mine. It's tough to be a "big dog", when you live in a row house, with a postage stamp sized yard, at a ground height of 50'ASL. When I moved to my current location in 1999, I thought I was in radio heaven. I'm now at 400' ASL, and the difference is noticeable. But the downside of where I live now is that while I'm much higher in height than I used to be, I'm also flanked by hills that are even higher than I am. To my north, I'm blocked by a 1000' hill. To the south, there's a ridge of hills that range from 700 - 950'. Directly east there's a hill that's at the same height that I am. Due west there's the peak of the hill I'm on the side of at 650'. So my best directions are ENE, ESE, WNW, & WSW. The distances talked now are far greater than they were back in the day. In the 70's, most of my fellow radio op friends were closer than 2 miles away from me. Today, my very closest neighbor had been 3.5 miles away. There's a recent addition to the group who is about 1.5 miles from me now. Most of the rest of the CRR group are at least 10 - 15 miles away. I only personally knew 2 people who had Brownings back in the day. I knew of a few more further in the distance. I only knew one guy who had a D201. I once dated a girl who's base was a Tram Titan IIa. But that's pretty much it for those legendary tube rigs. There was one guy who had a CPI in the early 80's. I never even heard of Stoner until the age of the internet. Most serious SSB'er would make the jump to an HF ham rig, once they desired something better than the typical SSB CB base. So Stoner never made any inroads in my area. Since I started my website in 2003, and have communicated by all sorts of people who had very similar experiences that I had, during the same basic timeframe, it is interesting to read about the subtle differences in equipment and how their locales affected their choices in equipment. What channel did the Truckers use before Ch19? Was it Ch14 when we only had 23 channels. What I would pay to go back in time to 1970's radio shop fully loaded with top brands of CB equipment! I always wanted to take a room and turn it into a 1970's radio shop! Maybe charge money to enter for them old timers to roll time back! What a dreamer lol!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 5, 2015 12:08:39 GMT -5
This can go in several directions (great topic though!!! ) First off, on the subject of the really big beams, there weren't too many of them in my area. Most people who ran beams (myself included) usually ran either a straight 3 element, an Avanti Astro Beam, or a PDL-2. There were a handful of Moonraker 4's (or their Wilson equivalents) around. I can recall only one 'Raker 6 (which came down in a heavy wind storm) in the area. There was also one op in the extreme northern boundary of Norristown who had a Super Laser 500 (yea, the one with the 40' boom). The strange thing was that I don't know who the guy was. I saw the antenna one day when I happened to drive by (hard to miss that monster), but I never heard the guy who ran it. Back then, I pretty much knew who all the regular ops were on all the local channels. There was only one other Laser 500 that I knew of back then, and that was on a high rise (The name of which at the time escapes me) just across the border off of City Line Ave. in Philadelphia, which was owned by the originator of the Shadow Traffic network. They came into being around 1976 with the unique idea of collecting traffic reports from CB operators on channel 19, and then disseminating them to the local media outlets. The beam allowed them to point toward the major roadways they wanted to monitor, while filtering out the stuff they didn't want to hear. They had the greater Phila. and south Jersey areas covered. But it wasn't without some controversy. As the "Shadow Network" expanded to more locations, the typical paranoid local CB ops in the area accused the "Shadow Base" of trying to take over and muscle other ops off the channel, and a big conflict ensued for a few months, before there was a big meeting called at a conference auditorium at the high rise where "the Shadow" discussed his vision and tried to put the paranoid fears of the local guys to rest. I, along with a few of our group drove down just to watch the sideshow. It was interesting and entertaining to say the least. I have to scratch my head to try and figure out who really were the "big dogs" (as opposed to who THOUGHT they were)in my area back in the day. The first thing I can say is that it was never me. For my first 29 years in radio, I lived in a creek valley at 125' ASL. Every direction except for SE was into the side of a gradual rise. My peak signal potential was probably in the 1983-84 timeframe when I had an Astro Beam on a 45' tower and a Maverick 250 amp. But even with all that, I was no match for guys living just about anywhere else in the general surrounding suburban areas, most of which were at least 100' higher than I was. During the early 70's, the big dogs were mostly on channel 4. The top dog there was a guy by the handle of Lamplighter, who ran a Yaesu FT-101B with the matching FL2100 amplifier and a PDL beam. Other "top dogs" included Cactus, who ran a Cobra 135 and a D&A Phantom. Then there was Wildcat, who lived just off of the Schuylkill Expressway, on top of the hill in Belmont Hills, and ran a Moonraker 4 with 300+ watts of power. It's actually tough to gauge top dogs back then because the people with the most power were usually less aggressive then and rarely did we have contests of power. Most of the worst egotists lived in the bowels of Norristown proper which was probably the only place where the average height ASL was worse than mine. It's tough to be a "big dog", when you live in a row house, with a postage stamp sized yard, at a ground height of 50'ASL. When I moved to my current location in 1999, I thought I was in radio heaven. I'm now at 400' ASL, and the difference is noticeable. But the downside of where I live now is that while I'm much higher in height than I used to be, I'm also flanked by hills that are even higher than I am. To my north, I'm blocked by a 1000' hill. To the south, there's a ridge of hills that range from 700 - 950'. Directly east there's a hill that's at the same height that I am. Due west there's the peak of the hill I'm on the side of at 650'. So my best directions are ENE, ESE, WNW, & WSW. The distances talked now are far greater than they were back in the day. In the 70's, most of my fellow radio op friends were closer than 2 miles away from me. Today, my very closest neighbor had been 3.5 miles away. There's a recent addition to the group who is about 1.5 miles from me now. Most of the rest of the CRR group are at least 10 - 15 miles away. I only personally knew 2 people who had Brownings back in the day. I knew of a few more further in the distance. I only knew one guy who had a D201. I once dated a girl who's base was a Tram Titan IIa. But that's pretty much it for those legendary tube rigs. There was one guy who had a CPI in the early 80's. I never even heard of Stoner until the age of the internet. Most serious SSB'er would make the jump to an HF ham rig, once they desired something better than the typical SSB CB base. So Stoner never made any inroads in my area. Since I started my website in 2003, and have communicated by all sorts of people who had very similar experiences that I had, during the same basic timeframe, it is interesting to read about the subtle differences in equipment and how their locales affected their choices in equipment. What channel did the Truckers use before Ch19? Was it Ch14 when we only had 23 channels. What I would pay to go back in time to 1970's radio shop fully loaded with top brands of CB equipment! I always wanted to take a room and turn it into a 1970's radio shop! Maybe charge money to enter for them old timers to roll time back! What a dreamer lol! On the west coast, the truckers were pretty much always on 19. East of the Mississippi River, truckers ran on channel 10 up until the middle of 1975. They decided to move to 19, party to align with west coast truckers, and partly due to bleedover onto channel 9 which was the designated emergency channel at the time. A few years back, there was an old CB shop in western Pa, that closed up and sold off their remaining stock. Somehow, they still had brand new, still in the box, rigs from the 70's. Radios like Cobra 135's, SBE Console II's etc. I heard about it too late to indulge. But there were guys who came back with 2 or three vintage rigs that had never been used. I keep hoping to trip over something like that again. But the chances of that happening decrease with each passing year
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Post by No Streak on Jun 5, 2015 12:19:56 GMT -5
Yeah you always hope you can run into places like that to old stock sitting around. I think a lot of times it was the FCC was unclear what to do if the 23 channel radio after they switched to 40 channels. I hear after they approve the 40ch it was illegal to sell 23 channel radios. So maybe some shops just ate the loss because there was so much to sell in 40Ch radios that it would cover there losses. Bad for them good for collectors like us.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 5, 2015 12:26:22 GMT -5
What channel did the Truckers use before Ch19? Was it Ch14 when we only had 23 channels. What I would pay to go back in time to 1970's radio shop fully loaded with top brands of CB equipment! I always wanted to take a room and turn it into a 1970's radio shop! Maybe charge money to enter for them old timers to roll time back! What a dreamer lol! On the west coast, the truckers were pretty much always on 19. East of the Mississippi River, truckers ran on channel 10 up until the middle of 1975. They decided to move to 19, party to align with west coast truckers, and partly due to bleedover onto channel 9 which was the designated emergency channel at the time. A few years back, there was an old CB shop in western Pa, that closed up and sold off their remaining stock. Somehow, they still had brand new, still in the box, rigs from the 70's. Radios like Cobra 135's, SBE Console II's etc. I heard about it too late to indulge. But there were guys who came back with 2 or three vintage rigs that had never been used. I keep hoping to trip over something like that again. But the chances of that happening decrease with each passing year As for out Midwest and West coast they seem to use there Cb radios different than we do on East coast. A lot less BS and more professionalism as using the Cb radio as a tool than playtime to mess with other truckers. At least that's what I was told by long haul drivers. Maybe we should have stayed on Ch10 bleed the Mexican skip! What channel did the Truckers use before Ch19? Was it Ch14 when we only had 23 channels. What I would pay to go back in time to 1970's radio shop fully loaded with top brands of CB equipment! I always wanted to take a room and turn it into a 1970's radio shop! Maybe charge money to enter for them old timers to roll time back! What a dreamer lol! On the west coast, the truckers were pretty much always on 19. East of the Mississippi River, truckers ran on channel 10 up until the middle of 1975. They decided to move to 19, party to align with west coast truckers, and partly due to bleedover onto channel 9 which was the designated emergency channel at the time. A few years back, there was an old CB shop in western Pa, that closed up and sold off their remaining stock. Somehow, they still had brand new, still in the box, rigs from the 70's. Radios like Cobra 135's, SBE Console II's etc. I heard about it too late to indulge. But there were guys who came back with 2 or three vintage rigs that had never been used. I keep hoping to trip over something like that again. But the chances of that happening decrease with each passing year
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 5, 2015 14:06:01 GMT -5
Yeah you always hope you can run into places like that to old stock sitting around. I think a lot of times it was the FCC was unclear what to do if the 23 channel radio after they switched to 40 channels. I hear after they approve the 40ch it was illegal to sell 23 channel radios. So maybe some shops just ate the loss because there was so much to sell in 40Ch radios that it would cover there losses. Bad for them good for collectors like us. Yes, there is a lot of truth in that. After the 40 channel plan became legal in January of 1977, there was a grace period for manufacturers and dealers to get rid of their old 23 channel stock. I can recall the exact date, but after that time it became illegal to sell NEW 23 channel radios. That's why so many dealers and stores marked down their 23 channel radios so deeply, just to move them out before they couldn't do it. 3 of my friends bought Lafayette Telsat SSB-50a radios for $49.95 in 1978 (A discount of over $200 off of the previous selling price). So I guess it's very likely that some of those old shops got stuck with radios they could not legally sell over the counter. But I am surprised that they held on to them for so long. I would have thought that they would either sell them "under the table" or dispose of what would have essentially been worthless stock. Of course ironically, nearly 40 years later, some of those rigs are worth close to their original selling price to collectors.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 5, 2015 15:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah you always hope you can run into places like that to old stock sitting around. I think a lot of times it was the FCC was unclear what to do if the 23 channel radio after they switched to 40 channels. I hear after they approve the 40ch it was illegal to sell 23 channel radios. So maybe some shops just ate the loss because there was so much to sell in 40Ch radios that it would cover there losses. Bad for them good for collectors like us. Yes, there is a lot of truth in that. After the 40 channel plan became legal in January of 1977, there was a grace period for manufacturers and dealers to get rid of their old 23 channel stock. I can recall the exact date, but after that time it became illegal to sell NEW 23 channel radios. That's why so many dealers and stores marked down their 23 channel radios so deeply, just to move them out before they couldn't do it. 3 of my friends bought Lafayette Telsat SSB-50a radios for $49.95 in 1978 (A discount of over $200 off of the previous selling price). So I guess it's very likely that some of those old shops got stuck with radios they could not legally sell over the counter. But I am surprised that they held on to them for so long. I would have thought that they would either sell them "under the table" or dispose of what would have essentially been worthless stock. Of course ironically, nearly 40 years later, some of those rigs are worth close to their original selling price to collectors. Yeah that would be nice to get a few new old school radios in the box! Like a Pearce Simpson Simba, Tram Titian 4, or a new 23 channel Browning Mk IV Trans Scan System.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 10, 2015 10:02:11 GMT -5
Well let's not forget it Classic Radio Roundup tonight! And after that After Hours Late Night Roundup! Hope we have a nice turnout tonight.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 10, 2015 10:14:00 GMT -5
I guess Spitfire is taking a break from video gates for awhile and I think you have done a great job. My hat off to you Pete and Dave thank you taking the time to show us people out of listening range how much fun you guys have on Wednesday nights. And for Baggers Spew Network live at 271150 I truly appreciate the work you guys put into keeping it going for so long. And vast amount of information you can learn from listening to you and the crew that make up channel 13.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 10, 2015 11:54:12 GMT -5
I guess Spitfire is taking a break from video gates for awhile and I think you have done a great job. My hat off to you Pete and Dave thank you taking the time to show us people out of listening range how much fun you guys have on Wednesday nights. And for Baggers Spew Network live at 271150 I truly appreciate the work you guys put into keeping it going for so long. And vast amount of information you can learn from listening to you and the crew that make up channel 13. The laptop that the Spew streaming server has been running on, is a 15 year old P3, and I'm waiting for the day that it finally dies. Fortunately, I have another laptop that I can throw in there when that unfortunate day comes. Looks like the initial thrill and interest surrounding Classic Radio Roundup has waned. I usually do not get more than 2 check-ins to the server during the roundup. A far cry from the early days where I had up to 15 connections at once, and had to change registry settings to allow it. But hey, I'm still having fun, although I'm starting to feel the need to "churn" the stable a bit and add a few new radios while getting rid of a couple others. But that's a task best accomplished during the off-season, when my "free" time is a little less taken up. I'm hoping Pete starts up the 'Gates again, but with the finicky nature of his tablet, I think he's holding out until he gets a better option. And again because of the time of the year, that's not high on his priority list either.
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Post by BBB on Jun 10, 2015 12:27:43 GMT -5
What is it that allows Spitfire to record with decent audio yet keep the video frame rates down (or codec) used so it isn't as big a file to upload to YouTube? I think I remember a dollar store camera and the type of file his tablet saved stuff as.
Can you set up a GoPro for low video bandwidth and still have good recorded audio? Could the live video be Podcast, and if so, would someone else have to record it to keep it? Haha, I sound so 1990's.
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