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Post by No Streak on Jan 23, 2015 9:17:28 GMT -5
Just a thought because I know we all have them classic 23 channel gems that have sideband or double sideband. That we all would love to run SSB mode.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 23, 2015 14:02:51 GMT -5
Just a thought because I know we all have them classic 23 channel gems that have sideband or double sideband. That we all would love to run SSB mode. Once upon a time we tried to run a "Classic Radio Roundup: SSB edition", on Sunday nights. Since the designated SSB channel, back in the 23 channel days, was channel 16, we tried to do the SSB roundup there. Unfortunately, there was a semi-local group that ran AM on that channel, who didn't take too kindly to our "whump-whumping" on SSB. The SSB roundup eventually morphed into our 10 meter SNUBWAP net. We've threatened to do a CRR in the SSB mode on channel 13 one of these nights, and you never know. Yes, we all have at least one SSB capable classic radio, so we could do it if we wanted.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 23, 2015 14:31:55 GMT -5
Yeah mite be able to hear some of you guys on SSB. Plus it just fun running old rigs on sideband because they drift so bad. In the old 23 channel days 16,17 were SSB channels back then.
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Post by BBB on Jan 23, 2015 15:09:46 GMT -5
Side Band, what is that?
I hear guys in Northeast Philly at night that split CH26 & CH27 on 27.270 LSB. Not a bad idea when it's noisy but not in compliance with the band plan either.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 23, 2015 15:47:19 GMT -5
What did Steve Jobs say ( We are the wild ones) and that's about how Cb is looked at by the radio community. To think outside of the box!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 23, 2015 21:24:57 GMT -5
Yeah mite be able to hear some of you guys on SSB. Plus it just fun running old rigs on sideband because they drift so bad. In the old 23 channel days 16,17 were SSB channels back then. Actually the older rigs (most of them anyway) drift much less than the newest crop of Chinese made radios. Galaxy radios are notorious for drift, especially over temperature.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 23, 2015 21:42:19 GMT -5
Side Band, what is that? I hear guys in Northeast Philly at night that split CH26 & CH27 on 27.270 LSB. Not a bad idea when it's noisy but not in compliance with the band plan either. We used to do that years ago to escape carrier throwers and excessive skip noise. That's why extending clarifier range was such a popular mod.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 23, 2015 22:00:02 GMT -5
Galaxy are the worst drifters by far. The best I found for no drift is the uniden 980 ssb.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 23, 2015 22:25:38 GMT -5
I didn't know till about a year that double sideband rigs only put out about five watts of power because your transmitting on upper and lower at the same time. And receive on just one neat stuff. I seen Pete's Regency Imperial always wondered how they work on SSB. I see them a lot on EBay with the matching microphone looks like a Turner mic.
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Post by spitfire441 on Jan 24, 2015 7:45:22 GMT -5
I didn't know till about a year that double sideband rigs only put out about five watts of power because your transmitting on upper and lower at the same time. And receive on just one neat stuff. I seen Pete's Regency Imperial always wondered how they work on SSB. I see them a lot on EBay with the matching microphone looks like a Turner mic. The Regency Imperial is a great ssb radio. Once warmed up there is zero drift. With double side band it seems to have as good audio as AM. BTW on AM it is reduced carrier AM. Only about 2.5 watts carrier but does 12 watts at 100% modulation. Spitfire
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 24, 2015 9:49:29 GMT -5
I didn't know till about a year that double sideband rigs only put out about five watts of power because your transmitting on upper and lower at the same time. And receive on just one neat stuff. I seen Pete's Regency Imperial always wondered how they work on SSB. I see them a lot on EBay with the matching microphone looks like a Turner mic. The very first SSB rigs only put out the same as AM rigs due to the way the finals were powered. The earliest SSB rigs were only rated at 10 watts input, which translated to about 6 watts of output. Then the FCC raised the limit to 15 watts input (8 watts out), then to 25 watts input (12 watts out), then finally rating by output power. The Regency Imperial was SSB receive and DSB transmit. The same was true for the Tram Titan II and IIa. They utilized phase cancellation in the final to achieve the suppressed carrier. More modern rigs used a balanced modulator to achieve the same goal.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 24, 2015 10:01:58 GMT -5
They are a nice looking radio's both models.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 24, 2015 10:20:46 GMT -5
I didn't know till about a year that double sideband rigs only put out about five watts of power because your transmitting on upper and lower at the same time. And receive on just one neat stuff. I seen Pete's Regency Imperial always wondered how they work on SSB. I see them a lot on EBay with the matching microphone looks like a Turner mic. The Regency Imperial is a great ssb radio. Once warmed up there is zero drift. With double side band it seems to have as good audio as AM. BTW on AM it is reduced carrier AM. Only about 2.5 watts carrier but does 12 watts at 100% modulation. Spitfire Without the hard bandwidth limitations imposed by the use of the 3 Khz (or less) crystal filter, the audio bandwidth on a DSB rig can be much higher thereby sounding more like warm AM. Even on true SSB rigs with crystal filters, I tend to adjust the carrier oscillator a little more toward the crystal filter's passband, which allows a little more low end to pass through (Which is what I did to Pete's TS-530), at the expense of the high end. To me, that's just more pleasant to listen to than the thin sounding "contest quality" high end emphasized audio. Especially if people like to use D-104's on their SSB rigs.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 30, 2015 8:14:49 GMT -5
Sandbagged how do you like that Hygain 623, is just a ok classic or do a great receiver. I seen them on EBay and have heard you and NightTrains. They do sound good and the meter is nice. And the SSB ever tried that mode? Just asking.
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Post by cbrown on Jan 30, 2015 9:21:34 GMT -5
I loved mine. Out of all the rigs that I have let go over the years, that is the one I regret the most.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 30, 2015 13:23:04 GMT -5
Sandbagged how do you like that Hygain 623, is just a ok classic or do a great receiver. I seen them on EBay and have heard you and NightTrains. They do sound good and the meter is nice. And the SSB ever tried that mode? Just asking. Having owned 2 of them over the years (and I sincerely regret selling the first one), I have to say that the 623 is one of the most unique CB radios I've seen. There is not another radio out there that shares the chassis with this rig. So it falls into the same club as the Browning and Tram bases in that regard. The designers of the 623 were a bit ahead of their time with the advanced PLL circuit (for 1974), while at the same time giving a nod to tried and true tube circuits with the final stage. The designers took a bit of time to really make a radio that performs. The S meter is one of most linear (nearly 6 db between any two S unit readings all the way down to S3). The TX power meter is actually calibrated in watts, and if it's set correctly, the readings will track with an external wattmeter, unlike most radios where the TX meter is strictly a relative indicator. The receiver has a FET front end, which gives it decent sensitivity and immunity to front end overload. Adjacent channel rejection is also fairly high due to the sharp IF filter characteristics. It's an easy mod to jump SSB power output to 25 watts out. The clarifier can be modded to move an insane number of channels if desired. Now, there are some negatives, although most of these are related to age rather than design. The crystal oscillator frequencies tend to drift off over time. If you are somewhat OCD and like your center slot to line up exactly between AM, USB and LSB, these will need frequent attention to keep that way. Mostly this is because of oxidation of the trim pots which adjust the respective oscillator frequencies. They actually gave them way more range than they needed. I replaced mine with multi-turn trimpots which help to keep this adjustment less touchy to adjust and keeps it close. There is also a curious trait in the audio modulator section. This radio uses a high end style direct coupled audio amp/modulator, which results in superb audio. But if you hit it too hard with mic gain, you can cause the modulator to overload and it will shutdown for a few seconds until the overload bleeds off. I'm not sure if this is a design flaw or a deliberate method of protection (I'm leaning toward the latter), but it is something to be aware of. The receiver audio quality is also not as warm and robust due to the speaker placement and likely also because of the narrow receiver bandwidth. But it's not bad.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 31, 2015 12:11:00 GMT -5
Yeah they do look Hi-Tech for that time. And that output tube is big like you could get some serious power from it. Thanks for the information on that unit.
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Post by Sandbagger on Feb 2, 2015 19:43:11 GMT -5
Yeah they do look Hi-Tech for that time. And that output tube is big like you could get some serious power from it. Thanks for the information on that unit. There was actually a published mod to swap that tube for another more powerful tube, to get even more SSB power out. I never liked those mods because they put extra strain on the power supply, and reliability suffered as a result. I'm a big believer in leaving the radio alone, and using an external amplifier if you desire extra power.
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Post by cbrown on Feb 3, 2015 9:15:50 GMT -5
There was actually a published mod to swap that tube for another more powerful tube, to get even more SSB power out. I never liked those mods because they put extra strain on the power supply, and reliability suffered as a result. I'm a big believer in leaving the radio alone, and using an external amplifier if you desire extra power. Amen! I wish more people would think like that.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 12, 2015 18:13:25 GMT -5
Running Browning's or Tram's on SSB is a two handed operation but still is alot of fun!!!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 12, 2015 19:27:58 GMT -5
Running Browning's or Tram's on SSB is a two handed operation but still is alot of fun!!! The D201 does SSB fairly well, as long as you stay on the crystal mode. The VFO mode drifts enough that you do need to frequently touch up frequency. The Brownings, at least up to the MK III, really don't do SSB well at all. Actually the transmitter isn't too bad, even if the power output isn't all that high (10 watts typically), but the receiver BFO drifts unmercifully, making it totally frustrating to use.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 12, 2015 21:12:21 GMT -5
Running Browning's or Tram's on SSB is a two handed operation but still is alot of fun!!! The D201 does SSB fairly well, as long as you stay on the crystal mode. The VFO mode drifts enough that you do need to frequently touch up frequency. The Brownings, at least up to the MK III, really don't do SSB well at all. Actually the transmitter isn't too bad, even if the power output isn't all that high (10 watts typically), but the receiver BFO drifts unmercifully, making it totally frustrating to use. Funny back in day I never got the manual with the Browning's so using it on SSB was a job. After I received a manual years later and learned to spot on SSB like you do on AM. The MkIV it made life so much easier to run a Browning on SSB a little drift on the IV I seen later they fixed the drifting in the MkIVa. It much easier to get information about Tram and Browning on the internet now and remakes of the manuals. I was like asking old timers how to operate the radios and they didn't know either at least the right way. I guess people didn't them back then either!
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Post by No Streak on Jun 12, 2015 21:25:45 GMT -5
Running Browning's or Tram's on SSB is a two handed operation but still is alot of fun!!! The D201 does SSB fairly well, as long as you stay on the crystal mode. The VFO mode drifts enough that you do need to frequently touch up frequency. The Brownings, at least up to the MK III, really don't do SSB well at all. Actually the transmitter isn't too bad, even if the power output isn't all that high (10 watts typically), but the receiver BFO drifts unmercifully, making it totally frustrating to use. Now as for the Tram D201 you have 23 channel crystals and the rest VFO. So really you would be drifting alot if you were talking SSB above channel 23. So I know you be busy on the right dial for sure they are a challenge but fun. If it was easy it wouldn't be fun as friends go from mice to demon sounding lol.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 13, 2015 16:36:40 GMT -5
The D201 does SSB fairly well, as long as you stay on the crystal mode. The VFO mode drifts enough that you do need to frequently touch up frequency. The Brownings, at least up to the MK III, really don't do SSB well at all. Actually the transmitter isn't too bad, even if the power output isn't all that high (10 watts typically), but the receiver BFO drifts unmercifully, making it totally frustrating to use. Now as for the Tram D201 you have 23 channel crystals and the rest VFO. So really you would be drifting alot if you were talking SSB above channel 23. So I know you be busy on the right dial for sure they are a challenge but fun. If it was easy it wouldn't be fun as friends go from mice to demon sounding lol. That's true, but if I was serious about using my Tram on the "SSB" channels, I'd opt for the crystal for it, and use that. That way I wouldn't have to deal with VFO drift.
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Post by No Streak on Jun 13, 2015 17:10:12 GMT -5
Now as for the Tram D201 you have 23 channel crystals and the rest VFO. So really you would be drifting alot if you were talking SSB above channel 23. So I know you be busy on the right dial for sure they are a challenge but fun. If it was easy it wouldn't be fun as friends go from mice to demon sounding lol. That's true, but if I was serious about using my Tram on the "SSB" channels, I'd opt for the crystal for it, and use that. That way I wouldn't have to deal with VFO drift. Oh you are the crafty kat. And yes you could or upgrade the channel selector to the 40 channel board. But I was talking totally stock, and like Batman you worked around the problem!
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Post by Night Ranger on Jul 7, 2015 20:22:08 GMT -5
I thought I was going to get a sneak videogate this afternoon. I walked in the room and I could hear "1/4 Wave Dave" talking to some mobiles in PA. I hooked up the camera, and they stopped talking a few minutes later. The skip was not all that strong to begin with, and then it turned in to the Mexican invasion and noise toy fest.
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Post by No Streak on Jul 8, 2015 4:57:34 GMT -5
I thought I was going to get a sneak videogate this afternoon. I walked in the room and I could hear "1/4 Wave Dave" talking to some mobiles in PA. I hooked up the camera, and they stopped talking a few minutes later. The skip was not all that strong to begin with, and then it turned in to the Mexican invasion and noise toy fest. Night Ranger Oh you know the Mexican's love them noise toys and back ground music. I just wish I could talk that fast!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jul 8, 2015 6:11:15 GMT -5
I thought I was going to get a sneak videogate this afternoon. I walked in the room and I could hear "1/4 Wave Dave" talking to some mobiles in PA. I hooked up the camera, and they stopped talking a few minutes later. The skip was not all that strong to begin with, and then it turned in to the Mexican invasion and noise toy fest. Night Ranger Someone woke up Sweaty Maria, and her band of mariachi's........
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Post by Night Ranger on Jul 8, 2015 6:21:26 GMT -5
I thought I was going to get a sneak videogate this afternoon. I walked in the room and I could hear "1/4 Wave Dave" talking to some mobiles in PA. I hooked up the camera, and they stopped talking a few minutes later. The skip was not all that strong to begin with, and then it turned in to the Mexican invasion and noise toy fest. Night Ranger Oh you know the Mexican's love them noise toys and back ground music. I just wish I could talk that fast! Well if they had anything interesting to say they would not need all the noise toys and music to begin with. Those things remind me of a toddler playing with a Fisher Price Activity Center. /14/898d14d358b052a1f3fe18ae3d00382e.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89//14/898d14d358b052a1f3fe18ae3d00382e.jpg: ) Night Ranger
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Post by No Streak on Nov 19, 2015 14:35:15 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear from Sparky that some people are using Ch16 SSB heard that last night's Classic Radio Roundup! Have give a listen on that channel.
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