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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 26, 2008 16:51:21 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I'm not complaining,gripeing or degrading Barketts in any way, This is just a FYI about the 40 channel Reciever kit they are selling on Ebay and I may be showing my ignorance , so if I am correct me please. I'm sending this out now because I have sent Barketts a note and have not heard back yet, but I still expect to hear back from them.
I purchased one of the 40 channel adapter kits for my Mark 3 receiver. On the dial, the channel numbers are printed in a way that channel 23 is between 25 and 26. it is in sequence 21,22,24,25,23,26. Like I said This may be where Channel 23 falls in the scope of things and I'm just showing my ignorance here. If it is a misprint I expect to hear back from them and they will make it good because they are a very reputable company. The reason I'm putting this here is because if you got one, didn't notice it , installed it and it's wrong, it could save you some work and time. If I am wrong and the channel 23 frequency falls in that particular location, i apologize for my mistake. I'm just trying to be helpful. Have a nice weekend.
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Post by Marc on Sept 26, 2008 16:57:16 GMT -5
Sounds logical to me look at the tuner on recever that is the order they fall in.
yes a ch 23 thing.
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Post by mark4 on Sept 26, 2008 19:04:35 GMT -5
Barkett is not selling a defective channel expansion kit for your receiver. That is how the frequencies are laid out.
This kit will get you up to channel 59 on your dial. If you put a frequency counter in line with your radio you would see this right away. Channel 23 is between 25 and 26. and the frequency is higher than channel 25.
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 26, 2008 19:06:51 GMT -5
the old tuner display had 23 in sequential order with the others,but that still don't mean after the upgrade it may displace 23 from it's normal location in the world. It's been a long day and this is to simple a problem for me...LOL
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 26, 2008 19:39:31 GMT -5
I gotcha ..I can see that . I thought it was kinda wierd when i first saw it and i had a really difficult time believing you could get a channel printed on the wrong location. thanks for the information. i probably won't install it on my receiver and sell it . If I don' have transmit on those channels I'd rather not be able to listen on them. Thanks for the information.
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Post by gator7 on Sept 26, 2008 19:39:57 GMT -5
Yes, The A & B channels did mess up that end of the band. Oh well, Just another day in the hood. 73  |
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 26, 2008 22:58:35 GMT -5
I figured I'd learn a lot here today. I appreciate your input and had a feeling the 23a and b thng may play into it. i tried to find the actual frequencies on he net and didn;t find anything that supported what I thought to be what the truth was. Thanks again for all your help....The kit willl be in the forum under items for sale. I bought it on impulse and don't think i want it .Gonna go a different route.
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Post by mark4 on Sept 27, 2008 0:44:30 GMT -5
It's a nice feature to have.
If you want to purchase 1 or 2 crystals to have some uppers.
You could just swap out a 1-23 crystal you don't normally use.
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Post by gator7 on Sept 27, 2008 14:11:03 GMT -5
Yeah, The A & B channels do mess me up sometimes. I run on CH 24 which if I remember correctly it is 22A. Sometimes when I run my Galaxy 98 I forget about that and think I might have my 10 KC switch on. OPPS. Nope, I just forgot about those A & B channels.
Hope we helped out.
73
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Post by 2600 on Sept 27, 2008 14:27:08 GMT -5
Ahhh. The Browning receivers are like ALL of the older tube radios with a tuneable receiver. You can hear the five "RC" channels where a 40-channel radio is not permitted to transmit. There is one between channel 3 and 4, between 7 and 8, 11 and 12, 15 and 16, and one between channels 19 and 20. Channels "3A, 7A, 11A, 15A and 19A" are the casual way folks tend to refer to them.
Those channels have been reserved for "Radio Control" stuff since the original 23 channels were first authorized.
But back then, there were eight "RC-ONLY" channels, not just five.
Two of them were between channel 22 and 23. The eighth one was just above channel 23.
Oh, and channel 23 was (and still is) a legal "RC" AND voice channel, both. The weird two-tone sequences you can hear when the skip is running are coming from old short-range paging transmitters.
When CB was expanded from 23 to 40 channels, they converted three of the eight RC channels to be legal for voice radios. That's why the actual frequency of channels 24 and 25 are BELOW the frequency for channel 23. But from channel 26 to 40, they are all in a row with no skipped frequencies.
This was a headache when I was writing the program that runs the digital slider we used to build. The computer chip had to remember the channel number separate from the binary frequency number that it feeds to the PLL chip. The "out of order" thing between channels 22 and 26 took a half-page of source code all by itself.
But if you don't wish to hear channels where you can't talk. stay away from ANY radio with a tuneable receiver, no matter what the brand. They will ALL let you hear the "A" channels that are NOT included in a 40-channel CB radio.
Or, you could just put a slider on the transmitter, and talk wherever you can hear.
73
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 27, 2008 19:23:40 GMT -5
I almost didn;t start this thread but I'm glad I did now. I've learned a bunch of stuff about the brownings. I didnt know.
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 27, 2008 19:24:48 GMT -5
is 23 a and b 24 and 25?
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Post by BionicChicken on Sept 27, 2008 21:31:48 GMT -5
After reading some of the recent posts it has made me think of a few things.
Some of us "old timers" forget that some of the "newbies" don't have the basic knowledge of the history and operation we have about radios, frequencies, tubes, amplifiers, etc. Many of the new crowd don't know about 23 channel radios or how things were in the 60's, 70's, 80's and beyond.
It is our responsibility to make sure that they learn and are able to pass this information on to a future generation of CB'ers that will be here long after we are gone.
The internet provides a lot of info on many subjects but there are few others more qualified on this subject than the people who hang out around this site. Between all of us we have a unlimited amount of knowledge about the beginnings of CB and how it has progressed to where we are now.
I am proud to be a part of this group who so freely share info and promote the hobby of CB's. Years ago this was not a problem.............everyone helped one another. Now everyone wants to know what is in it for them. Too many people attach $$$ signs to sharing knowledge.
I don't think anyone on this forum can say they have done it all by themselves. Somewhere along the line somebody helped them and pointed them in the right direction. Ham operators call it being an "Elmer".
Being an Elmer is our job being long time CB operators. We have to share to keep the hobby alive.
BC
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Post by husker on Sept 27, 2008 22:27:54 GMT -5
That is exactly why I have stayed here, not so much because I can add much...But because you guys are so awesome about helping and teaching us old radio lovers ( but not techie enough until now) what you know about this very cool hobby.
Like I always say and I certainly mean it,THANKS GUYS!
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Post by Sandbagger on Sept 28, 2008 10:50:03 GMT -5
After reading some of the recent posts it has made me think of a few things. Some of us "old timers" forget that some of the "newbies" don't have the basic knowledge of the history and operation we have about radios, frequencies, tubes, amplifiers, etc. Many of the new crowd don't know about 23 channel radios or how things were in the 60's, 70's, 80's and beyond. It is our responsibility to make sure that they learn and are able to pass this information on to a future generation of CB'ers that will be here long after we are gone. The internet provides a lot of info on many subjects but there are few others more qualified on this subject than the people who hang out around this site. Between all of us we have a unlimited amount of knowledge about the beginnings of CB and how it has progressed to where we are now. I am proud to be a part of this group who so freely share info and promote the hobby of CB's. Years ago this was not a problem.............everyone helped one another. Now everyone wants to know what is in it for them. Too many people attach $$$ signs to sharing knowledge. I don't think anyone on this forum can say they have done it all by themselves. Somewhere along the line somebody helped them and pointed them in the right direction. Ham operators call it being an "Elmer". Being an Elmer is our job being long time CB operators. We have to share to keep the hobby alive. BC Good post BC! I totally agree. None of us got into the hobby all-knowing. I know I stumbled around and learned the old fashioned way. And you're very much correct on the concept of "Elmering". That is why I want to help out the new people now, as there were those old timers who helped me back in the day and now it's my turn to "give back". |
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Post by gator7 on Sept 28, 2008 11:29:02 GMT -5
Yes, Very true. The techs on this site are great. And so many of us try hard to help out both the newbies, and us old timers who forgot or need help with classic radio problems. Oh, and speaking of the RC channels. I have a bunch of RC hobby folks around me. Boy do they raise hell w/ some of the adjacent channels. Down here in central FL. I have noticed a big drop in radio traffic on the local channels. But we will try to help the new ones who come along. Thanks to everyone for all the help you have given me.  73's |
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Post by Marc on Sept 28, 2008 12:44:38 GMT -5
Sorry if I came across a little veag 2600 explaned what i was trying to say.
(Things I learned today : If I dont have time to explain something let someone els do it. lol
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Post by Tombstone (R.I.P.) on Sept 28, 2008 13:59:03 GMT -5
Some of my Brownings will transmit on the RC's, I like to watch garage doors open and kid's remote control cars going nuts.
Tomestone
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 28, 2008 18:36:05 GMT -5
I have a remote control plane and have been flying them for 25 years. Some of those old frequencies are not used for that any more. They changed up the entire frequencie bad of where you can use planes and some for cars I think. Now I know where all the glitches came from. (when people crashed,at least they blamed a glitch) LOL Every body had to buy new radios and they went to FM. I was on 27.020 frequency when I started out.
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Post by 2600 on Sept 28, 2008 22:36:12 GMT -5
Ah, to the guy who asked about channels "23A" and "23B".
Those are now channels 26 and 27.
And my cordless mouse is on channel 11A, 27.095.
Never have tried to use it while talking on channel 11.
Does bleed 11 and 12 a bit when it's in use.
73
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Post by spitfire441 on Sept 29, 2008 6:31:57 GMT -5
After reading some of the recent posts it has made me think of a few things. Some of us "old timers" forget that some of the "newbies" don't have the basic knowledge of the history and operation we have about radios, frequencies, tubes, amplifiers, etc. Many of the new crowd don't know about 23 channel radios or how things were in the 60's, 70's, 80's and beyond. It is our responsibility to make sure that they learn and are able to pass this information on to a future generation of CB'ers that will be here long after we are gone. The internet provides a lot of info on many subjects but there are few others more qualified on this subject than the people who hang out around this site. Between all of us we have a unlimited amount of knowledge about the beginnings of CB and how it has progressed to where we are now. I am proud to be a part of this group who so freely share info and promote the hobby of CB's. Years ago this was not a problem.............everyone helped one another. Now everyone wants to know what is in it for them. Too many people attach $$$ signs to sharing knowledge. I don't think anyone on this forum can say they have done it all by themselves. Somewhere along the line somebody helped them and pointed them in the right direction. Ham operators call it being an "Elmer". Being an Elmer is our job being long time CB operators. We have to share to keep the hobby alive. BC Good post BC! I totally agree. None of us got into the hobby all-knowing. I know I stumbled around and learned the old fashioned way. And you're very much correct on the concept of "Elmering". That is why I want to help out the new people now, as there were those old timers who helped me back in the day and now it's my turn to "give back". I wholehartedly agree. My turn to Elmer where I can. I thank my Elmers for pointing out waaay back that un-co-phased twin trucker antennas on my chimney ain't quite right. Plus many other learning curve follies on my part. Time to pass on my knowedge, limited as it may be. I have been a CBer since 1974-ish, but I didn't really know anything technical until many years later. Went from just an "operator" to a "technition" with the help of many folks. |
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 29, 2008 11:54:36 GMT -5
welll 2600 I wasn't far off. 26 and 27 are as good channels as 24 and 25....I see the guys in the white suits coming to get the splinter out of this finger. Then Ill warm up the solder gun, correct color wires and weld them to that nail on the wall.....OK I am surprised that barketts never answered my question through Ebay , but I bet has more than answered it here. I;m just teasing and expect to do much more business with them in he future but they are going to have to warn me when a number goes in a different place .LOL Dang nobody told me these dang mark 3 receivers have wood splinters in them...Truly thanks all for the help and education. I may have a few more questions
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 29, 2008 18:19:16 GMT -5
How's that cophased antenns on the chimney ever turn out. Did you get them cophased or just take them down. I'd love to compile a compilation of stories of idea people come up with that either didn't work out or very well or did work out well but very diffferent. I used to put up towers and antennas in my late teens . I'll start it off iwth a storie of mine....over in the corect ofrum of course....that would be the one where you talk about anything....story named the 100 foot push up...with a 5 element gizmachi
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Sept 29, 2008 19:54:35 GMT -5
My first believe it or not story in the "speak your mind" section under the heading "Gizmachi on a 100 foot pushup". I'm not sure how it got there twice , but I'll see if I can one deleted. Participate if you'd like I know we all have done some strange things. While going through the garage a few days back i found hte first Cap (ping cap) that knocked my lights out. Yes, i did know to short it and thught i had already done it. After that I made a jumper with alligator clips. erminately affixed . I was amazed I was still standing up.
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Post by BladeRunner now OLD FLASH!!!!! on Oct 10, 2008 23:04:31 GMT -5
I got the Barketts 40 CHannel Retrofit installed and the bugs worked out and it works really well. The instructions are very bad and if you go by their instructions to the letter, it won't work, plus the drawing tey send with it doesn't match the instructions. I didn't have much troublee figuring out what the problem was and it works perfectly. If anyone else is installing one in their mark 3 and needs a little help. PM me and I will clear up the instructions a bit. I also added the PAL VFO and it's sweet although I eed a frequency indicator now to make it easier to zero in on the transmit side. Anyway , no knock on barketts but they do need to clear up hteir instructions a little. have a great day !!!!
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