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Post by zman on Nov 18, 2009 0:39:20 GMT -5
Hello. I am thinking of buying an 827 to replace my A 99 and GPK. Doesn anyone here use the Siro 827 and how does it stack up again the I maxx 2000 and the Maco 5/8 and hy Gain P 500?
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Post by cbrown on Nov 19, 2009 13:27:11 GMT -5
Never used on myself, although I've seen some good reviews on them.
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Post by mark on Nov 20, 2009 11:18:48 GMT -5
While I have never owned one to make a statement about direct performance. It is best to always go with a PROVEN design. Frankly you can't go wrong with a good 5/8 wave GP. I am not talking about a "pseudo" GP like an IMAX, but an antenna with a real GP. It'll save you a lot of headaches with RFI especially... Super Penetrator, Wilson 5/8 GP, Maco 5/8, and if you want high quality, the I-10K... I have bought Sirio products before but was not happy with the overall hardware and tubing quality. On the plus side, they all did work pretty well... (CB since 1973 here)
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Post by cbrown on Nov 20, 2009 13:53:33 GMT -5
Can't argue with that!
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Post by bootymonster on Nov 27, 2009 12:06:24 GMT -5
i asked about them on another forum . i was told the 827's have a bad problem with the coil loosing contact with the rest of the antenna and the antenna going open circuit . some folks have had to take the antenna apart and fix it more than once .
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Post by cbrown on Nov 28, 2009 14:55:51 GMT -5
i asked about them on another forum . i was told the 827's have a bad problem with the coil loosing contact with the rest of the antenna and the antenna going open circuit . some folks have had to take the antenna apart and fix it more than once . This is one of the reasons I bought the I-10k. You build it, tune it, and then put it up and forget about it.
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Post by mark on Dec 3, 2009 12:53:27 GMT -5
I bought the I-10K also... After 37 years, enough junk is simply ENOUGH! I was ready to be done with chasing my A^% on this subject also.
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Post by cbrown on Dec 3, 2009 14:06:02 GMT -5
I hear that! That's also why I got a tower, I'm getting too old to climb up on the roof.
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Post by zman on Dec 7, 2009 2:11:39 GMT -5
Its a shame that the stuff made now is not as good as the old stuff. i know were there are several 5/8 wave GPs at a sjop were i just got another astrobeam from. He has a couple of CLR-2s and a few others that i dont know what they are.
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 7, 2009 8:15:37 GMT -5
Its a shame that the stuff made now is not as good as the old stuff. i know were there are several 5/8 wave GPs at a sjop were i just got another astrobeam from. He has a couple of CLR-2s and a few others that i dont know what they are. The CLR-2 was a decent ground plane. But you couldn't run more than a few hundred watts into it before you'd smoke the matching coil (which was an etched printed circuit board).
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Post by cbrown on Dec 7, 2009 15:28:00 GMT -5
I remember the matching board, plus the sections were held together by sheet metal screws that would back out from the winds.
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Post by skipwave62 on Jun 23, 2010 5:55:29 GMT -5
Back in the day companies were making BIG Dollars in the 11 meter radio market and had the money to hire engineers that spent all day working out the best antenna's for 11 meter signal length at 4 watts....Who now is spending that kind of money in the 11,10 meter antenna reseach and development ...Let's face it the Antron and the Imax are BOAT antennas .nice Boat Antenna's but still look better on my Mac Gregor than my house.....The Hy Gain 525 and 500..Maco(wilson) w5/8 or anything like these are king in omni......the 1960's /70's was the best of the best in 11 meter antenna development..Of course I could be wrong..I was once before......
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Post by Sandbagger on Jun 23, 2010 6:19:52 GMT -5
Back in the day companies were making BIG Dollars in the 11 meter radio market and had the money to hire engineers that spent all day working out the best antenna's for 11 meter signal length at 4 watts....Who now is spending that kind of money in the 11,10 meter antenna reseach and development ...Let's face it the Antron and the Imax are BOAT antennas .nice Boat Antenna's but still look better on my Mac Gregor than my house.....The Hy Gain 525 and 500..Maco(wilson) w5/8 or anything like these are king in omni......the 1960's /70's was the best of the best in 11 meter antenna development..Of course I could be wrong..I was once before...... Well, I certainly remember a far greater variety of antennas back in the 70's. Many standard ground plane designs, some variations of that basic design, as well as some strange "outside-of-the-box" efforts from companies like Avanti, Turner and others. But the biggest reason why you don't see the "metal monsters" like we had 40 years ago has to do mostly with the Consumer Product Safety commission. Since so many people (not too bright people), were getting electrocuted while putting up their CB antennas near power lines, the CPSC eventually outlawed the manufacture of antennas which were not sufficiently insulated from the mast pole. The easiest way to accomplish this was to make the antenna completely encased in fiberglass. You will notice that most metal ground plane antennas that you find are either imported (like Sirio), made by small private shops (like the I-10K), or are marketed as "10 meter antennas" (There are no CPSC regulations on ham antennas or beams). But once again, here's a perfect example of government regulations, trying to protect us from our own stupidity, also styfling any desire to advance design.
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Post by cbrown on Jun 23, 2010 9:30:42 GMT -5
I can't imagine people are stupider, but judging from some of the labels out there.... I wonder.
Here are a few:
"Do not iron clothes on body." -- On packaging for a Rowenta iron
"Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly." -- On a child sized Superman costume.
"Do not drive car or operate machinery." -- On Boot's children's cough medicine.
"Caution: Remove infant before folding for storage." -- On a portable stroller.
"Warning: May cause drowsiness." -- On a bottle of Nytol, a brand of sleeping pills.
"Do not use orally after using rectally." -- In the instructions for an electric thermometer.
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Post by Sniper..Unit 305 on Jun 23, 2010 23:36:11 GMT -5
cbrown that last post was a good one! I really needed a good laugh for today and that post certainly provided it, especially the last one on the list. It sure is hard to believe that some people would really have the need to be guided by the hand with common sense products. Sniper
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Post by mark4 on Sept 4, 2010 21:47:08 GMT -5
I would pass on the 827 the ground plane radials are way to short. If you want to tear the crap out of everything go for it. I have a radio shack .64 wave. Just took it down today because the hardware became loose. Modified the sections like the Penetrator. It's back up in perfect working order. Maco V5000 is the only other antenna I will use because of the cost factor. And a real ground plane kit eliminated my interference problems! Makes all the difference in the world for not getting into TV's etc.
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Post by skipwave62 on Dec 8, 2010 1:21:26 GMT -5
I have recently cophased 2 Sirio 4000's (18ft apart,,36 ft high)with a Hy Gain cophaser...What a grin..Now if these Sirio's can survive the wind .....I have finally found a omni setup I can be happy with....Anybody else use a Sirio 4000?? And how has it done ?
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 2, 2015 9:12:04 GMT -5
I know this post is an old one but i couldn't resist. I do own a 827 antenna and fixed all the problems mentioned here on this subject. Now it works very good and holds up to high winds and rain. This is not the best ground plain antenna on the market but for the money it's not to bad. Really, in my honest opinion i think that the best 11 meter antenna on the market Is the I-10-K Interceptor (for alot of reasons) but your going to pay alot more money for it. Roadrunner
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Post by cbrown on Jul 3, 2015 8:36:44 GMT -5
i think that the best 11 meter antenna on the market Is the I-10-K Interceptor (for alot of reasons) but your going to pay alot more money for it. If you can get it, I don't think Jay has been selling them for a number of years now. Mr. Coily has some 5/8 wave antennas that are supposed to be pretty good. If I ever need to replace my current I-10K, I may go there.
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Post by BBB on Jul 3, 2015 8:50:04 GMT -5
It seems that they no longer make the 2016 antenna like the one I run. Probably since the 827 is at the same price point and stated power handling. The 2016 just looked beefier IMO.
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 5, 2015 9:48:14 GMT -5
Yes, your right BBB the new 827 is a much beefier antenna than the first one they made. The 2016 also comes with a small top hat to help with a lighting strike. When i got this antenna i did alot of test experiments with my own home built top hats and was able to make the antenna more broad band. You can look at this on (California Road Runner Photobucket).
Charley brown, Mr Coily antennas are one of the antennas that work great out there along with some other ones i have seen. Here is how i feel about buying a antenna that is manufacture buy a company. I personally have never seen a 5/8 wave ground plane that would put out more than 3 DB gain, so i look for other things about the antenna like how long will it last, what kind of material is it made of, how does the antenna match out. (These things are important two).
As for A-1 antennas i think Steve and Jay are still doing there thing but it's been on four and five element beams lately. There web site is still up and running the last time i checked. Roadrunner
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Post by cbrown on Jul 6, 2015 8:41:20 GMT -5
Last time jay's site was worked on was in 2011. I've sent an email to Steve to see if they are still doing work.
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Post by cbrown on Jul 6, 2015 9:01:18 GMT -5
Last time jay's site was worked on was in 2011. I've sent an email to Steve to see if they are still doing work.
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 6, 2015 10:38:43 GMT -5
I just went to there web site and it's still up and running but i haven't talked to ether one of them years. Don't they have another web site on the crusader beam antenna?
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Post by BBB on Jul 6, 2015 18:29:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sandbagger on Jul 6, 2015 20:53:37 GMT -5
Not to be confused with "Ol' Zero-Five in the catbox".....
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 7, 2015 11:20:55 GMT -5
Way way back when i was looking for the best 5/8 ground plane antenna i talked with Steve and Jay over the radio about the I-10-K interceptor. After talking with them i did some checking on his antenna design and learned about how you can match out the Gamma and beta with separate tuning. (trombone type). The price i paid for the antenna was around 200.00 dollars some 10 years ago. I think that jay got his matching ideal from a antenna that was made way back when 11 meters was still going strong.
I have never tried out a O-5 antenna but it doe's look like one of the good ones but your going to pay the price if you want it. Love the long ground radials on this one! Roadrunner
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Post by Sandbagger on Jul 7, 2015 16:03:07 GMT -5
Way way back when i was looking for the best 5/8 ground plane antenna i talked with Steve and Jay over the radio about the I-10-K interceptor. After talking with them i did some checking on his antenna design and learned about how you can match out the Gamma and beta with separate tuning. (trombone type). The price i paid for the antenna was around 200.00 dollars some 10 years ago. I think that jay got his matching ideal from a antenna that was made way back when 11 meters was still going strong. I have never tried out a O-5 antenna but it doe's look like one of the good ones but your going to pay the price if you want it. Love the long ground radials on this one! Roadrunner Yea, I can remember having discussions with Jay back when the I-10K was in development. He had a prototype that he called the "Mastadon", which was basically a copy of Hy-Gain's Penetrator. He was trying to find a matching method with the least loss. He finally decided on the trombone matcher, which reminds me of what used to be on a Mosley "Devant Special" back in the day.......
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 8, 2015 7:39:08 GMT -5
Wow Sandbagger i haven't herd that name in a long time. (Devant special). This was a killer antenna back in it's days. I met my high school sweet heart when she was talking on her fathers radio. Her dad had one of these antennas and to my surprised when i went over to introduce my self he had a 100 foot push up mast on top of his house with that antenna on it. Yes, his antenna was 130 feet in the air and he lived on a busy street. See how much everything has changed, Don't try that to day or you might have some big problems.
I never knew this antenna had that kind of matching device on it, The High Gains Penetrator was the one i was thinking about. Both these antennas look very much like the I-10-K interceptor.
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Post by cbrown on Jul 8, 2015 8:49:12 GMT -5
No word from Steve since I emailed him the other day.
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