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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 16, 2010 18:36:49 GMT -5
hey guys i just got a tram titan 2 and the recieve on it went out and i think its the tube inside becouse i also went to hookup to a ext. speaker and nothing but the hole transmite side works that has everything new but how would i go to get new recieve parts for this and would i be able to do this myself or should i have a tech do it becouse i dont want to accidently touch something and get shocked and killed so how would i go about this and how much would it might cost me? thank you!
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 16, 2010 22:40:56 GMT -5
hey guys i just got a tram titan 2 and the recieve on it went out and i think its the tube inside becouse i also went to hookup to a ext. speaker and nothing but the hole transmite side works that has everything new but how would i go to get new recieve parts for this and would i be able to do this myself or should i have a tech do it becouse i dont want to accidently touch something and get shocked and killed so how would i go about this and how much would it might cost me? thank you! You should probably leave this to someone experienced in tube radios. It could be a bad tube, or it could be something else. There's really no way to tell for sure until the cover is pulled off and tests are done. And since I can't tell you exactly what the problem is, I can't give you an accurate estimate of what it would cost to fix. It's shouldn't be too expensive if it's relatively easy to fix....... |
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Post by zman on Dec 20, 2010 0:24:41 GMT -5
I had the same thing happen to mine as well. Unfortunately, no one around here works on old tube radios anymore...........
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 20, 2010 17:25:32 GMT -5
is there a way i can get it to someone easly to fix it like you sandbagger? or sombody else you might now? i just know one thing and that is i dont have very much cash and im planning on getting a new dipole to run with it tempararyly for when i go down to north carolina in maybe may and michigan is not doing so good for jobs right now and im cerently looking for a job so alot of my money is going to the gas tank for gas to get around to find jobs and my unemployment checks are starting to go down and that is the resone why so if there is a way to fix this thing let me know i appreciate it thanks my freind. brian
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 20, 2010 19:36:41 GMT -5
is there a way i can get it to someone easly to fix it like you sandbagger? or sombody else you might now? i just know one thing and that is i dont have very much cash and im planning on getting a new dipole to run with it tempararyly for when i go down to north carolina in maybe may and michigan is not doing so good for jobs right now and im cerently looking for a job so alot of my money is going to the gas tank for gas to get around to find jobs and my unemployment checks are starting to go down and that is the resone why so if there is a way to fix this thing let me know i appreciate it thanks my freind. brian Well, here's the thing.....You're in a mutually incompatible situation. On the one hand, you want the radio fixed, but on the other you're a bit short on cash. The radio might be simple, and it might be complicated, there's no way to tell from here. But it's possible that the repair costs could be in the $50 - $100 range depending on the shop and what's wrong. Also IMHO, it's not a good idea to ship a delicate tube radio. Often times, the radio gets shaken up during shipment and ends up with more problems than what it first had. You would be best served finding someone local to you who knows those old rigs, or at least someone who has a tube tester. That way you could eliminate a bad tube as a potential cause. |
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Post by rifleman on Dec 20, 2010 20:35:36 GMT -5
RustyNail..... The Titan II has 15 tubes in it. It is built like a TANK !! But it is a pretty old radio, and will have problems with it's power supply, tubes, crystals, and the relay (which is a BEAR to replace in that radio). If no shops in your area will work on it, contact some of the ham radio clubs in your area. Older hams who operate old tube type equipment may be able to help you. After all, the old Tram is just an "Eleven Meter" ham rig. LOL !! If it is in great cosmetic condition, you may want to consider selling it. I sold the one pictured below on Ebay, in good condtion (but it was operating) about 6 months ago to a Tram collector for over $350. Here is a look inside (WITHOUT the tubes in it). Attachments:
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Post by rifleman on Dec 20, 2010 20:42:39 GMT -5
And here is a look underneath it..... Attachments:
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 22, 2010 19:24:24 GMT -5
dang that was a nice picture rifleman but so far and everything sandbagger and rifleman i do have some hams here and a radio shop but both of them will not work on tube stuff becouse they told me they dont want to take the risk geting shock and one day i took in i dont know if you remember that cobra 139 23ch sandbagger but i told them about that and asked if they could do some stuff to it like lower deadkey and fix the relay and finals but they said no with attitude and got mad and said what are you still doing on the chicken band and just go ham and i just turned my back on him! so i do know on thing and that is the hole transmit section has been replaced so know i just need replaced is the receiver end and thats it and i do know it could be a hassle to get it mailed so im just trying to figure out my oppsions and thats it!
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 22, 2010 19:40:49 GMT -5
dang that was a nice picture rifleman but so far and everything sandbagger and rifleman i do have some hams here and a radio shop but both of them will not work on tube stuff becouse they told me they dont want to take the risk geting shock and one day i took in i dont know if you remember that cobra 139 23ch sandbagger but i told them about that and asked if they could do some stuff to it like lower deadkey and fix the relay and finals but they said no with attitude and got mad and said what are you still doing on the chicken band and just go ham and i just turned my back on him! so i do know on thing and that is the hole transmit section has been replaced so know i just need replaced is the receiver end and thats it and i do know it could be a hassle to get it mailed so im just trying to figure out my oppsions and thats it! Sounds like you have a couple of butt-heads for hams up there. I have to chuckle though... They're giving you grief for being on the chicken band, but yet they're afraid of getting a shock working on a tube radio.... Some hams  I wonder if they even wire their own mic plugs........ |
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 22, 2010 20:06:00 GMT -5
dang that was a nice picture rifleman but so far and everything sandbagger and rifleman i do have some hams here and a radio shop but both of them will not work on tube stuff becouse they told me they dont want to take the risk geting shock and one day i took in i dont know if you remember that cobra 139 23ch sandbagger but i told them about that and asked if they could do some stuff to it like lower deadkey and fix the relay and finals but they said no with attitude and got mad and said what are you still doing on the chicken band and just go ham and i just turned my back on him! so i do know on thing and that is the hole transmit section has been replaced so know i just need replaced is the receiver end and thats it and i do know it could be a hassle to get it mailed so im just trying to figure out my oppsions and thats it! Sounds like you have a couple of butt-heads for hams up there. I have to chuckle though... They're giving you grief for being on the chicken band, but yet they're afraid of getting a shock working on a tube radio.... Some hams I wonder if they even wire their own mic plugs........ hahaha thats funny sandbagger ya i would hate to find out on when they wire there mics haha but ya the hams around here are weird i dont know why but they are |
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Post by Tombstone (R.I.P.) on Dec 23, 2010 8:26:11 GMT -5
Afraid of getting shocked? Sounds to me like hams like that are afraid to work on any radio. I think that they just won't work on a "chicken band" rig. Sandbagger, you're right about the danger of shipping radios. I've sent a few out (tubers) and have my MarkIII in Louisville right now. All you can do is pack them heavily and tight and hold your breath. I've had no trouble and ship vial the Postal Service, they seem to be the easiest on loading/unloading packages. Watch, now I've probably jinxed myself, hope not.
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Post by V8Vega on Dec 23, 2010 18:05:39 GMT -5
Sandbagger, you're right about the danger of shipping radios. I've sent a few out (tubers) and have my MarkIII in Louisville right now. All you can do is pack them heavily and tight and hold your breath. I've had no trouble and ship vial the Postal Service, they seem to be the easiest on loading/unloading packages. Tombstone I'm building a box(s) to ship my 201A right now. I just took a break and logged in. I've had good luck with USPS as well...UPS, not so much.  I wouldn't ship anything like this until after New Years. |
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Post by Tombstone (R.I.P.) on Dec 23, 2010 18:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah, you really don't want to ship anything right now. Building a box is a smart move, it'll add some more weight but it's worth it. I too won't use UPS anymore, I used to sell glass ware on Ebay and I shipped a complete set of expensive Noritake China to somewhere in Minnesota, I think. Anyway, the lady got the boxes and one had a truck tire mark on it, smashed china too, the insurance claim was a nightmare.
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 24, 2010 17:28:13 GMT -5
well guys i appreceiat everything i gouss ill just keep how it is and not take the risk anywhere so ill just keep it on my table and keep it looking nice and at least the transmite section still works hahaha thank you for all the info and help. rustynail
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Post by rifleman on Dec 26, 2010 22:36:26 GMT -5
They don't want to get shocked.... Oh boy.... Getting shocked by the tram will not kill you, but it will seriously get your attention. I got laid out by a (2) 3-400Z amp once.... THAT could kill you !!! I LOVED the looks of the Titan II.... (Rates right up there with the PolyComm Pro)... It was also the LOUDEST out-of-the-box radio I ever owned!!! I had to pad down the non-amplified D104 to keep the mod. down to 100% !!! The only thing I did not like about it was that to get more than 23 channels out of it, you have to butcher up the radio pretty good. I would say keep the radio. You may find someone to work on it in the future. And, if your finances get better, send it to Greg Barkett @ Barkett Electronics. There are others that can work on it, but he is the ONLY guy I have let work on my Trams and Brownings. Good luck !! Yours, Ron Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 9:14:01 GMT -5
I have seen a couple tube rigs (Robyn) that lost receive. One was a popped electrolytic cap (very easy to see). The other was aan open resistor, which looked normal. I found it measuring resistors. You will likely not find CB shops to work on tube radios. You will need to find a local ham that loves boatanchors. There are plenty of them.
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 29, 2010 13:21:43 GMT -5
well rifleman and alabama tick thanks for the info and ya i am going to wait till the money situation gets alittle better and hopefully ill be able to get it up and working becouse soon i am going to get a A-99 and 50ft coax and i would like to try it out. so far thoe the transmit sounds great and its very clean sounding but also loud and when i and a local frend here in michigan tryed the transmit out it was loud and clean and to tell you the truth i did have to turn down my volume on the 2950 and its deadkeying 4 watts and swinging to 6-7 watts so thats not bad.
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Post by rifleman on Dec 29, 2010 23:56:21 GMT -5
Sounds good.....
Remember, you are not going to get a lot of watts out of that radio... It's the modulation is what makes it shine.
Also, it transmits double-sideband, so you are only going to see 8-10 watts out on sideband.
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Post by zman on Dec 30, 2010 22:08:13 GMT -5
Ya know guys, im a ham with a general lisence and im on the CB as well. I dont play ham politics. yes ham can be very odd and out of touch but i dont let them get me down. I still get on CB because i find most hams to be very boring to talk to.
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 31, 2010 10:25:24 GMT -5
Sounds good..... Remember, you are not going to get a lot of watts out of that radio... It's the modulation is what makes it shine. Also, it transmits double-sideband, so you are only going to see 8-10 watts out on sideband. well so far when we did the testing i was able to get 6-7 watts on sideband and thats ok i didnt expect much at least its alittle something. also what do you mean its double sideband? ive never heard of that. ive only heard of single sideband. |
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Post by rifleman on Dec 31, 2010 12:28:07 GMT -5
Sideband cb radios first came out in 1964 with the General Radiotelephone sideband adaptors for their MC series of radios. The Tram Titan II was produced in the late 1960's, and was a sideband version of the original Tram "Titan".
The Titan II TRANSMITS a double sideband signal (like AM, BOTH upper and lower sidebands are produced at once, and then the carrier is removed). It RECEIVES either upper or lower sideband (the carrier and one sideband is filtered out, like modern SSB radios).
Some older Ham rigs do something very similar to produce an AM signal. They produce a double or single sideband signal, and then inject a carrier into the sideband signal to produce AM !!
Like yourself, a lot of people nowadays have never heard of DSB (Double-Sideband), so when you converse with people on sideband, you can drive them half nuts because they can HEAR YOU on either sideband, not just one !!!
BTW... Without any test equipment, there is one thing you can do with the receive problem. UNPLUG THE RADIO !!. Remove the plastic cover from the relay, and spray the relay contacts with contact cleaner. I also cut a small strip of paper about 3 inches long by 3/8 inch, carefuly place it between the relay contacts without bending the contact leafs, put a little contact cleaner on the paper, and draw the paper straight back and forth between the contacts to clean any remaining carbon off of them. Make sure that the relay is completely dry before you put the cover back on. High voltages go through these relays and can cause carbon buildup with can effect receive or transmit.
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Post by rifleman on Dec 31, 2010 13:23:50 GMT -5
Just in case, here is where the relay is located... Attachments:
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Dec 31, 2010 22:08:42 GMT -5
ok rifleman now heres the other thing i dont know how to get the cover off and i dont know how to do that but the oldest radio i can tell you i took the cover off is a cobra 139 23ch AM-SSB and thats it so i dont know how to take the cover off this thing and also where is the most likly place i could get shocked in it so that way i can stay away from it and not kill myself LOL
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Post by rifleman on Jan 1, 2011 0:25:43 GMT -5
On the back of the radio there are two large chrome screws (in this photo, they have chrome washers on them), one on each side of the back. remove those screws, and by grabbing the handles on the front, you should be able to pull the chassis forward, straight out of the case. The top of the chassis, where the tubes and the relay are, realy does not have any high voltage present, except for the paper covered capacitor next to the black transformer. You may want to stay away from that. Underneath the chassis is where high voltage is present. If you unplug the radio, wait for about five minutes for the capacitors to drain down, you will have no problems. Attachments:
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Post by hillbilly1987 on Jan 2, 2011 11:16:03 GMT -5
ok thanks rifleman ill give it a try sometime this week when im not busy here at the house.
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I wonder if they even wire their own mic plugs........
I wouldn't ship anything like this until after New Years.
