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Post by doctor on Oct 12, 2014 18:16:58 GMT -5
A new transceiver from ALINCO, sold by HRO and UNIVERSAL RADIO, works on 10 meters.
DOCTOR/795
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Post by cbrown on Oct 13, 2014 8:29:19 GMT -5
Looks suspiciously like an 'export' radio, doesn't it?
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Post by BBB on Oct 13, 2014 9:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 16, 2014 15:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 16, 2014 15:53:58 GMT -5
I can't believe that Alinco would slap their name on an RCI/Galaxy clone Chinese-made radio that is basically a glorified export CB. And echo? Really? What ham wants a rig with echo in it? Clearly this is just another rig that's meant to be sold to freebanders |
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 16, 2014 16:47:27 GMT -5
I can't believe that Alinco would slap their name on an RCI/Galaxy clone Chinese-made radio that is basically a glorified export CB. And echo? Really? What ham wants a rig with echo in it? Clearly this is just another rig that's meant to be sold to freebanders As far as ALINCO doing such a thing goes, let's just call it what it really is here, SB -- greed, at its finest! I guess they want to kill two birds with one stone here, making a "novice rig" for the amatuer bands, and also providing the CB crowd with a semi-decent rig they can use. Personally, if I was to sell these radios, I'd only ship them to licensed amateurs, and I'd only ship to their address listed on qrz.com. Also, should the FCC allow this "export" radio to slide on the US market, we'll finally have proof that they've really been bought and paid for by the big corporations. Well, it's not that we didn't already know this, but it will definitely add fuel to the fire. I know. I know. If I would refuse to sell to the export crowd, I'd probably lose 95% of my business; however, because of that situation, I'd never, ever sell these rigs to begin with. 73, Randy AB5NI |
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 16, 2014 18:57:04 GMT -5
I can't believe that Alinco would slap their name on an RCI/Galaxy clone Chinese-made radio that is basically a glorified export CB. And echo? Really? What ham wants a rig with echo in it? Clearly this is just another rig that's meant to be sold to freebanders As far as ALINCO doing such a thing goes, let's just call it what it really is here, SB -- greed, at its finest! I guess they want to kill two birds with one stone here, making a "novice rig" for the amatuer bands, and also providing the CB crowd with a semi-decent rig they can use. Personally, if I was to sell these radios, I'd only ship them to licensed amateurs, and I'd only ship to their address listed on qrz.com. Also, should the FCC allow this "export" radio to slide on the US market, we'll finally have proof that they've really been bought and paid for by the big corporations. Well, it's not that we didn't already know this, but it will definitely add fuel to the fire. I know. I know. If I would refuse to sell to the export crowd, I'd probably lose 95% of my business; however, because of that situation, I'd never, ever sell these rigs to begin with. The FCC has a list of "banned" radios which are not allowed to be imported. Any radio, which the commission finds can be easily modified, and appears to be primarily intended to be used by the 11 meter crowd, gets placed on the list. Having a "channelized" radio is one big flag right there. I doubt that this radio would pass the FCC's smell test for disguise 11 meter rigs. That being said, I never agreed with the concept of limiting sales to only licensed hams. Anyone can legally own a ham radio. And anyone can use the radio to receive. It's not until you hit the transmit switch, that the transgression is committed. Many prospective hams would buy a radio as they were studying for their ticket, and listen to code practices or just conversations, and trying to learn the ropes. That all goes away if a license is required to buy. And the manufacturers never likes the idea either as it would cost them sales. And that really is the bottom line. Don't ask, don't tell, as long as you pay the piper. |
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Post by MonkeyMan on Oct 16, 2014 19:47:22 GMT -5
The FCC has a list of "banned" radios which are not allowed to be imported. Any radio, which the commission finds can be easily modified, and appears to be primarily intended to be used by the 11 meter crowd, gets placed on the list. Having a "channelized" radio is one big flag right there. I doubt that this radio would pass the FCC's smell test for disguise 11 meter rigs. That being said, I never agreed with the concept of limiting sales to only licensed hams. Anyone can legally own a ham radio. And anyone can use the radio to receive. It's not until you hit the transmit switch, that the transgression is committed. Many prospective hams would buy a radio as they were studying for their ticket, and listen to code practices or just conversations, and trying to learn the ropes. That all goes away if a license is required to buy. And the manufacturers never likes the idea either as it would cost them sales. And that really is the bottom line. Don't ask, don't tell, as long as you pay the piper. Makes me wonder what Alinco is up to with this move. Is this some sort of challenge, or is their version tough to crack like the old Radio Shack 10 meter rigs? Or maybe they have simply "jumped the shark". Interesting to say the least. My favorite feature? The fact that it's a DIN chassis (or close to) and will fit neatly into the dashboard of modern vehicles...   |
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 16, 2014 21:06:05 GMT -5
The FCC has a list of "banned" radios which are not allowed to be imported. Any radio, which the commission finds can be easily modified, and appears to be primarily intended to be used by the 11 meter crowd, gets placed on the list. Having a "channelized" radio is one big flag right there. I doubt that this radio would pass the FCC's smell test for disguise 11 meter rigs. That being said, I never agreed with the concept of limiting sales to only licensed hams. Anyone can legally own a ham radio. And anyone can use the radio to receive. It's not until you hit the transmit switch, that the transgression is committed. Many prospective hams would buy a radio as they were studying for their ticket, and listen to code practices or just conversations, and trying to learn the ropes. That all goes away if a license is required to buy. And the manufacturers never likes the idea either as it would cost them sales. And that really is the bottom line. Don't ask, don't tell, as long as you pay the piper. Makes me wonder what Alinco is up to with this move. Is this some sort of challenge, or is their version tough to crack like the old Radio Shack 10 meter rigs? Or maybe they have simply "jumped the shark". Interesting to say the least. My favorite feature? The fact that it's a DIN chassis (or close to) and will fit neatly into the dashboard of modern vehicles... Having a full featured radio that actually FITS inside one of today's cars is a definite plus for me. But my car doesn't have a DIN radio so it's back to the drawing board......  |
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Post by spitfire441 on Oct 17, 2014 5:49:52 GMT -5
Who says hams don't like echo? I caught this guy on 40m AM sounding like Cookie Puss and running all kinds of echo. link |
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Post by MonkeyMan on Oct 17, 2014 6:03:50 GMT -5
Makes me wonder what Alinco is up to with this move. Is this some sort of challenge, or is their version tough to crack like the old Radio Shack 10 meter rigs? Or maybe they have simply "jumped the shark". Interesting to say the least. My favorite feature? The fact that it's a DIN chassis (or close to) and will fit neatly into the dashboard of modern vehicles... Having a full featured radio that actually FITS inside one of today's cars is a definite plus for me. But my car doesn't have a DIN radio so it's back to the drawing board...... Yeah, the DIN size radios are a little late to the game, at least in the US, they've been around in Europe for a while. Most new cars have gone away from the DIN slots. Our new Mazda6 doesn't have one either. |
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Post by cbrown on Oct 17, 2014 9:17:17 GMT -5
I might begin to believe these were entry level 10 & 12 meter radios if they had CTCSS. The Ranger radios do work great on 10M, except you have to add a tone board for repeater access.
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Post by doctor on Oct 17, 2014 10:41:07 GMT -5
It is all money anymore.
The FCC allows about anything in now days. About all the radios for 10 meters are easy modified, snip a wire or move a jumper and they know it.
DOCTOR/795
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 17, 2014 14:17:43 GMT -5
Who says hams don't like echo? I caught this guy on 40m AM sounding like Cookie Puss and running all kinds of echo. linkI'd imagine that the vast majority of hams stay away from echo because they barely use AM. Personally, I'm thinking you might get a bit of added punch to your audio with a very slight addition of echo. I'd have to try it to find out, though. 73, Randy AB5NI |
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 17, 2014 14:46:01 GMT -5
It is all money anymore. The FCC allows about anything in now days. About all the radios for 10 meters are easy modified, snip a wire or move a jumper and they know it. DOCTOR/795 I agree with you, doctor. The FCC, FDA, DEQ, and any other government agency that deals with big business has been bought and paid for long ago. In the future spectrum auctions, you can bank on it that CB and Ham operators are going to get the shaft -- and then some. About the only way this is ever going to end is that we pass laws where government officials can make only $1.00 in salary, and they'll have to be watched like hawks and given life imprisonment at hard labor, without the possibility of presidential pardon or parole, if they are caught in any form of corruption. While we're at it, I say we bring back public hanging and hang these bastards on national TV, especially if their corruption leads to the deaths of innocent people. The lobby groups are going to have to be done away with as well, and they'll have to devise a way to make sure every citizen can vote on any and all issues from home. Now, if the people of the US will just make me the overall supreme ruler and dictator extraordinaire, I'll make all of this a reality and then some!  73, Randy AB5NI |
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 17, 2014 15:11:48 GMT -5
I might begin to believe these were entry level 10 & 12 meter radios if they had CTCSS. The Ranger radios do work great on 10M, except you have to add a tone board for repeater access. That's why most hams would avoid this rig. OTOH, when they start getting listed on EBay at "ham level" prices , you'll probably see them being used there more often. 73, Randy AB5NI |
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 17, 2014 15:19:07 GMT -5
Who says hams don't like echo? I caught this guy on 40m AM sounding like Cookie Puss and running all kinds of echo. linkI'd imagine that the vast majority of hams stay away from echo because they barely use AM. Personally, I'm thinking you might get a bit of added punch to your audio with a very slight addition of echo. I'd have to try it to find out, though. Well, a very SLIGHT amount of slapback (the way broadcast stations do) can give your audio a denser and fuller sound, and can increase the average modulation density. The problem here is that very few people can run it that way and they end up going overboard and sounding like they're at the bottom of a trash can. |
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 17, 2014 15:31:39 GMT -5
Sandbagger wrote the stuff in boxes, and my response to his comments are underneath his remarks: This is what gets me though, SB. What the heck is HRO doing even listing a rig like this? It's an illegal export, and they know it. OTOH, maybe with the FCC being lax with just about everything these days, they might be thinking along the lines of CB operators eventually getting ham tickets, and they're just giving them an easier route to that endeavor. I'll stick with my previous remark on this -- frickin' greed, plain and simple. I'll agree with you on all of this as long as the FCC keeps it off the illegal rig list, SB. Being a ham, designs such as this are only win-win for me. It's also important to note that china and other CB manufacturers are all geared up to build these new style of radios, so I'm pretty sure this design philosophy will continue to be prevalent. Fine with me. More cheap radios that work half decently for me to play with . 73, Randy AB5NI |
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 17, 2014 19:00:49 GMT -5
Sandbagger wrote the stuff in boxes, and my response to his comments are underneath his remarks: This is what gets me though, SB. What the heck is HRO doing even listing a rig like this? It's an illegal export, and they know it. OTOH, maybe with the FCC being lax with just about everything these days, they might be thinking along the lines of CB operators eventually getting ham tickets, and they're just giving them an easier route to that endeavor. I'll stick with my previous remark on this -- frickin' greed, plain and simple. Well, in HRO's defense, that radio may not yet be on the official FCC "banned" list. I'm sure they wouldn't knowingly sell contraband radios. They're not Copper Electronics after all.... |
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Post by Sandbagger on Oct 17, 2014 19:05:13 GMT -5
Who says hams don't like echo? I caught this guy on 40m AM sounding like Cookie Puss and running all kinds of echo. linkAnd I couldn't understand him any more than I can understand CB'ers who over use it.  |
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Post by ab5ni on Oct 18, 2014 2:03:55 GMT -5
Who says hams don't like echo? I caught this guy on 40m AM sounding like Cookie Puss and running all kinds of echo. linkAnd I couldn't understand him any more than I can understand CB'ers who over use it. I couldn't understand him. I think he was also running his voice through one of those headsets that alter your voice as well. Total Lid -- and then some! -- if u ask me . 73, Randy AB5NI |
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