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Post by BBB on Jul 30, 2014 8:06:37 GMT -5
I see a big stick over on the north side of Harleysville at the corner of rt 113 and 63 that I was told belonged to Two Watt and/or it's his mom's place. There's an old Astroplane antenna just off 63 and Gerryville pike in Sumneytown. Quarter Wave Dave has a wealth of information ID'ing these locations. For the record here we have a Sirio 2016 and a Comet dual bander on Sparky's roof:
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Post by MonkeyMan on Aug 1, 2014 6:55:13 GMT -5
For as long as I could remember there was a Super Scanner on North Charlotte street (Rt 663), just north of Keim street outside of Pottstown. I went by recently and sadly it's gone, an apparent victim of a new roof. That thing appeared to be completely intact too.
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Post by Sandbagger on Aug 1, 2014 16:27:18 GMT -5
For as long as I could remember there was a Super Scanner on North Charlotte street (Rt 663), just north of Keim street outside of Pottstown. I went by recently and sadly it's gone, an apparent victim of a new roof. That thing appeared to be completely intact too. Same thing happened to another Super Scanner on Valley Forge Road in Fairview Village. The operator used the SS for a spotter antenna for a Moonraker 4 (which disappeared 30 some years ago). The Super Scanner remained on the roof and in good shape until about a year ago when a new roof and siding forced its removal. I'd bet they threw it in the dumpster with the rest of the old roofing material. If I really wanted it, I would have gone dumpster diving.......
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Post by MonkeyMan on Aug 2, 2014 9:48:27 GMT -5
There are no antennas left in my old neighborhood, but if you look closely at my parents house you can still see a couple eave mounts out back and a chewed up portion of rain gutter above my old bedroom window where I ran a mobile "gutter mount" antenna.
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Post by Night Ranger on Nov 7, 2014 20:05:27 GMT -5
Ok, it's been a while since I've done any old time antenna search. But I was at lunch today and managed to find a couple. This one was once a Radio Shack 5/8th wave. The horizontal radials are slowly falling off, with only one remaining. But this antenna faired better than the one I posted previously from my old neighborhood..... Wow. I have not seen one of those in ages. My first commercial base antenna was that exact antenna. I bought it new in 1976. It lasted until 1978 when lightning hit it. I found the base from a working antenna and replaced it. It worked for about another year, and then it bit the dust. As it got older the SWR would jump around when the wind blew from the elements working loose from the little screws. Night Ranger
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Post by Night Ranger on Nov 7, 2014 20:10:03 GMT -5
Inspired by Night Ranger's thread documenting antennas that were still in the air after 30 - 40 years, I decided to do a drive through of my old area to see if there are any signs of any remaining antennas either in use or dormant. This will take a little time as there's a pretty large area to cover, but if my first pass is any indication, I'm not going to find much. It doesn't appear that very many of the people I knew have anything left up in the air after all this time, so I'm widening my search to include any period base antenna I find, whether or not I knew who it belonged to at the time. So far I've found 2 candidates. Hopefully I'll find a few more: The first is a guy (Al) that originally went by the handle of Rebel. He's been around since the early 1970's. In fact, a few of my teenaged friends went over to help Al dig the hole for that tower in the 1974-75 time frame. This tower has been host to a few different antennas, including a Super Scanner (which got struck by lighting) and a PDL II. The current horizontal 4 element beam was erected sometime in the 80's when the skip was running heavy and Al had moved to the freeband to chase DX. On the top is his 2 meter beam (he's now a ham as well). But it's still looking good, although "uncle Al" has not been on the radio in several years. He should be in his 70's now. This is all that is left of World Famous Eyeballer's Moonraker 4 after some irate CB'ers went over to his house while he was at work and pulled it down in the late 1990s. The World Famous Eyeballer Antenna Party! www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15mpMIkpmENight Ranger
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Post by Sandbagger on Nov 8, 2014 10:59:26 GMT -5
Ok, it's been a while since I've done any old time antenna search. But I was at lunch today and managed to find a couple. This one was once a Radio Shack 5/8th wave. The horizontal radials are slowly falling off, with only one remaining. But this antenna faired better than the one I posted previously from my old neighborhood..... Wow. I have not seen one of those in ages. My first commercial base antenna was that exact antenna. I bought it new in 1976. It lasted until 1978 when lightning hit it. I found the base from a working antenna and replaced it. It worked for about another year, and then it bit the dust. As it got older the SWR would jump around when the wind blew from the elements working loose from the little screws. Night Ranger The Radio Shack "Colinear" 5/8th wave (and the Hy-Gain CLR II which it was copied from) was probably the most popular antenna in my area back in the 70's. They worked fairly well. The downside to them was SWR would go up in the rain (and you could never seem to seal the coil area well enough to keep the water out), they could only handle about 200 - 300 watts before you'd burn it out (I had one given to me that was burned up in that way), and the sections were held together with sheet metal screws which would eventually loosen and would result in SWR fluctuations in the wind, and then eventually when they fell out, the radiator section would collapse and your SWR would go through the roof. Most of the people who had to repair this would then saw slots in the ends of each section and use hose clamps to keep the sections tight. My first antenna was the baby brother 1/2 wave version of this. Same issues.
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Post by Sandbagger on Nov 8, 2014 18:03:20 GMT -5
Inspired by Night Ranger's thread documenting antennas that were still in the air after 30 - 40 years, I decided to do a drive through of my old area to see if there are any signs of any remaining antennas either in use or dormant. This will take a little time as there's a pretty large area to cover, but if my first pass is any indication, I'm not going to find much. It doesn't appear that very many of the people I knew have anything left up in the air after all this time, so I'm widening my search to include any period base antenna I find, whether or not I knew who it belonged to at the time. So far I've found 2 candidates. Hopefully I'll find a few more: The first is a guy (Al) that originally went by the handle of Rebel. He's been around since the early 1970's. In fact, a few of my teenaged friends went over to help Al dig the hole for that tower in the 1974-75 time frame. This tower has been host to a few different antennas, including a Super Scanner (which got struck by lighting) and a PDL II. The current horizontal 4 element beam was erected sometime in the 80's when the skip was running heavy and Al had moved to the freeband to chase DX. On the top is his 2 meter beam (he's now a ham as well). But it's still looking good, although "uncle Al" has not been on the radio in several years. He should be in his 70's now. This is all that is left of World Famous Eyeballer's Moonraker 4 after some irate CB'ers went over to his house while he was at work and pulled it down in the late 1990s. The World Famous Eyeballer Antenna Party! www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15mpMIkpmECool video. Gives a sense of your old home town. Interesting on the story of Eyeballer's antenna. It looks like it was blown over by a nasty windstorm. Is that how it looked after the alleged "antenna party", or did it get worse over the years. I take it his family still owns the home. I can't imagine new owners leaving that mess there like that. I love old CB folklore stories. I've heard a ton of them over the years. Everything from "antenna parties" to the FCC being in town. Usually there was not much truth in them, but they were entertaining to listen to.
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Post by Night Ranger on Nov 8, 2014 19:31:14 GMT -5
This is all that is left of World Famous Eyeballer's Moonraker 4 after some irate CB'ers went over to his house while he was at work and pulled it down in the late 1990s. The World Famous Eyeballer Antenna Party! www.youtube.com/watch?v=i15mpMIkpmECool video. Gives a sense of your old home town. Interesting on the story of Eyeballer's antenna. It looks like it was blown over by a nasty windstorm. Is that how it looked after the alleged "antenna party", or did it get worse over the years. I take it his family still owns the home. I can't imagine new owners leaving that mess there like that. I love old CB folklore stories. I've heard a ton of them over the years. Everything from "antenna parties" to the FCC being in town. Usually there was not much truth in them, but they were entertaining to listen to. I was living in Phoenix, AZ when the "antenna party" is suppose to have taken place, but I have heard the story from other local CB'ers on different occasions. One of them provided the name of the person that did it in an off the air conversation. The area the video shows is a run down section of town. Mostly those were "mill village" houses located near "The Aragon Mill". That mill was shut down many years ago. On the CB that part of Rock Hill, S.C. was referred to as "Murphy's Canyon". It was a name used by World Famous Eyeballer, One Watt and Silver Horse. I don't know how that name came about, and I only heard it used on the CB. I suspect there may be some truth to the Eyeballer antenna party story as Machine Shop Sam's coax was cut several times before I moved to Phoenix in August of 1998. Machine Shop Sam, Mud Grip, and World Famous Eyeballer were allies on CB channel 8 versus Tarbaby, Eagle, Ramblin Man, and several others. World Famous Eyeballer was really not a bad guy. He was actually a very colorful CB personality. In this case he was a poor boy with his biggest radio set-up yet, and he let it go to his head. I think Tarbaby and Machine Shop Sam actually got the ball running on that long running squabble. My friends and I were up on channel 24 on AM and LSB, and we chose to stay out of it. The last three recordings at the bottom of my web page listed below were made on channel 8 around 1996 and 1997. You can hear World Famous Eyeballer, Machine Shop Sam, Mud Grip, Tarbaby, Eagle, Ramblin Man and others on them. You will also hear Eyeballer reference "Murphy's Canyon" and "E.B. Show Time". I built one of Machine Shop Sam's base antennas. He may be using it on the recording. I also built Mud Grip's onmi base antenna. You can hear him reference it on one of the recordings as "the all directional brick antenna". It was just a vertical wire dipole hanging from a tree limb with a brick on one end as a weight. It worked though. Mud Grip also had a Moonraker 4 on a tower. : ) www.shadowstorm.com/cb/Vintage_CB_Recordings.htmlNight Ranger
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Post by Sandbagger on Nov 10, 2014 8:14:45 GMT -5
Cool video. Gives a sense of your old home town. Interesting on the story of Eyeballer's antenna. It looks like it was blown over by a nasty windstorm. Is that how it looked after the alleged "antenna party", or did it get worse over the years. I take it his family still owns the home. I can't imagine new owners leaving that mess there like that. I love old CB folklore stories. I've heard a ton of them over the years. Everything from "antenna parties" to the FCC being in town. Usually there was not much truth in them, but they were entertaining to listen to. I was living in Phoenix, AZ when the "antenna party" is suppose to have taken place, but I have heard the story from other local CB'ers on different occasions. One of them provided the name of the person that did it in an off the air conversation. The area the video shows is a run down section of town. Mostly those were "mill village" houses located near "The Aragon Mill". That mill was shut down many years ago. On the CB that part of Rock Hill, S.C. was referred to as "Murphy's Canyon". It was a name used by World Famous Eyeballer, One Watt and Silver Horse. I don't know how that name came about, and I only heard it used on the CB. I suspect there may be some truth to the Eyeballer antenna party story as Machine Shop Sam's coax was cut several times before I moved to Phoenix in August of 1998. Machine Shop Sam, Mud Grip, and World Famous Eyeballer were allies on CB channel 8 versus Tarbaby, Eagle, Ramblin Man, and several others. World Famous Eyeballer was really not a bad guy. He was actually a very colorful CB personality. In this case he was a poor boy with his biggest radio set-up yet, and he let it go to his head. I think Tarbaby and Machine Shop Sam actually got the ball running on that long running squabble. My friends and I were up on channel 24 on AM and LSB, and we chose to stay out of it. The last three recordings at the bottom of my web page listed below were made on channel 8 around 1996 and 1997. You can hear World Famous Eyeballer, Machine Shop Sam, Mud Grip, Tarbaby, Eagle, Ramblin Man and others on them. You will also hear Eyeballer reference "Murphy's Canyon" and "E.B. Show Time". I built one of Machine Shop Sam's base antennas. He may be using it on the recording. I also built Mud Grip's onmi base antenna. You can hear him reference it on one of the recordings as "the all directional brick antenna". It was just a vertical wire dipole hanging from a tree limb with a brick on one end as a weight. It worked though. Mud Grip also had a Moonraker 4 on a tower. Sounds like an interesting inter (and intra) channel dynamic going on there. Sometimes ugly rivalries on a different channel, yet you've had interactions with both sides of this "Hatfields and McCoy's" feud. That must be a tough, and tricky line to walk. In the "good old days", most of my friends on our channel pretty much kept to ourselves and didn't get involved in the internal political interactions on other channels. Once in a while we'd end up in a feud with another channel group over one issue or another (Usually bleedover or accusations of jamming). We didn't have inner channel feuds back then, as everyone pretty much got along. Of course that changed in the recent past with the channel 21 group. That was an ugly situation that I'm glad is over now. Hopefully that will be the end of any personality issues. But I suspect the recent bleedover issues from channel 14 may end up eventually wrecking what had been a very great group on 13. I hope not though as I've really enjoyed the last couple of years here.
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Post by Night Ranger on Nov 29, 2014 18:19:10 GMT -5
I found another CB antenna in Rock Hill, S.C. from 1975 that is still up. Well actually I was directed to it by another vintage CB'er named "One Watt". Unfortunately I did not bring my camera with me when I went to Rock Hill for Thanksgiving. I'll get a picture of it the next time I am in town. It may be older than Sunflower's drooper ground plane.
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Post by Sandbagger on Nov 29, 2014 20:13:58 GMT -5
I found another CB antenna in Rock Hill, S.C. from 1975 that is still up. Well actually I was directed to it by another vintage CB'er named "One Watt". Unfortunately I did not bring my camera with me when I went to Rock Hill for Thanksgiving. I'll get a picture of it the next time I am in town. It may be older than Sunflower's drooper ground plane. Night Ranger I will be taking another trip through town soon as well. There are a few decrepit pieces of once great antenna systems still up in the air, and hopefully I'll find them all....
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Post by MonkeyMan on Dec 23, 2014 21:42:40 GMT -5
This one made me laugh. I've seen similar setups like this on several occasions. Someone decided to take advantage of an existing TV antenna and mast to mount their CB antenna to. But for some reason, they chose to mount the CB antenna 3 or 4 feet below the TV antenna. I'm sure that wasn't good for the SWR the radiation pattern, or TVI immunity........ Not a bad shot either taken from a 45 MPH moving car...... Holy cow, look closely and it appears that the TV antenna is mounted directly to that omni. Egads!
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 24, 2014 9:35:30 GMT -5
This one made me laugh. I've seen similar setups like this on several occasions. Someone decided to take advantage of an existing TV antenna and mast to mount their CB antenna to. But for some reason, they chose to mount the CB antenna 3 or 4 feet below the TV antenna. I'm sure that wasn't good for the SWR the radiation pattern, or TVI immunity........ Not a bad shot either taken from a 45 MPH moving car...... Holy cow, look closely and it appears that the TV antenna is mounted directly to that omni. Egads! I don't think that's the case, although it really does look that way. He just chose to attach the CB stick about 3 or 4 feet below where the TV antenna was connected to the mast. Maybe he just didn't have enough coax? Either way, not the smartest way to mount an antenna. Funny thing is that I've seen others like this, including a 1/4 wave ground plane. Hopefully I'll get a shot of that one someday, if it's still around.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 12:07:57 GMT -5
Here's another relic from the bygone days. This A/S Starduster almost survived. The very top piece is missing, but otherwise it's ready to go (with a really bad SWR). As a bonus, there appears to be a whip antenna also attached to the side of the building. Doing Field Service, I have been looking at house roofs since I got back into the hobby in 2002. I think GPS units should come with points of interest on houses with CB antennas.
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Post by Sandbagger on Dec 27, 2014 12:55:06 GMT -5
Here's another relic from the bygone days. This A/S Starduster almost survived. The very top piece is missing, but otherwise it's ready to go (with a really bad SWR). As a bonus, there appears to be a whip antenna also attached to the side of the building. Doing Field Service, I have been looking at house roofs since I got back into the hobby in 2002. I think GPS units should come with points of interest on houses with CB antennas. Ha! That's almost funny.........
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Post by No Streak on Jan 10, 2015 13:54:35 GMT -5
I know I'll like to try out a original Starduster or original Astroplane. Hookup good with my old tube gear!
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 10, 2015 14:13:41 GMT -5
I know I'll like to try out a original Starduster or original Astroplane. Hookup good with my old tube gear! Honestly, neither one of those antennas were all that great with respect to overall gain. The nice thing about a Starduster was that it was very broad banded, and the SWR was low across at least 2 Mhz worth. But both the Astro Plane and the Starduster worked best if they were mounted high in the air in an area free of neighboring hills. For those in more of a low lying area, the 5/8th wave ground plane worked far better. My best performing Omni back in the day, was the Avanti Sigma 4.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 10, 2015 14:46:51 GMT -5
Yeah I know the gain was low just neat antenna. We were in jersey at a campground and they had a old Starduster with the top gone but still up. I guess they used it back in the day.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 10, 2015 15:04:51 GMT -5
At the entrance to the Lehigh Valley tunnel there is a Super Scanner antenna on side of the buildings told my wife I had one of them back in the day good antenna.
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Post by KneeBiter on Jan 10, 2015 15:18:34 GMT -5
I have used an Avanti Astroplane , Antenna Specialist Starduster , Hygain SPT-500 , Sirio 2016 , Antron 99 , Inax 2000. All mounted on the same house , Same height. I will tell you that the Astroplane is my pick out of all and the Antron and Imax the bottom. Astroplane was the quietest and I was able to hear and transmit to the same station 25 miles away for testing. The Sirio , HyGain , and Astroplane all received and transmitted the same s units. The Sirio had more noise out of the 3 but not enough to complain about. The Starduster 1 S unit down from the other 3. So as far as aesthetics and size the Astroplane wins hands down. The SPT-500 is giant. The Sirio in between. Both the IMAX and Antron had so much more noise I could not hear the station I used for the testing. But he could hear me 2 s units less than the others.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 10, 2015 15:41:12 GMT -5
I have used an Avanti Astroplane , Antenna Specialist Starduster , Hygain SPT-500 , Sirio 2016 , Antron 99 , Inax 2000. All mounted on the same house , Same height. I will tell you that the Astroplane is my pick out of all and the Antron and Imax the bottom. Astroplane was the quietest and I was able to hear and transmit to the same station 25 miles away for testing. The Sirio , HyGain , and Astroplane all received and transmitted the same s units. The Sirio had more noise out of the 3 but not enough to complain about. The Starduster 1 S unit down from the other 3. So as far as aesthetics and size the Astroplane wins hands down. The SPT-500 is giant. The Sirio in between. Both the IMAX and Antron had so much more noise I could not hear the station I used for the testing. But he could hear me 2 s units less than the others. I did a similar comparison between several antennas back at my old location back in the 70's. I had 20' of steel mast clamped to the side of my single story ranch house. The first antenna that I put there was a Radio Shack 1/2 wave GP. An Astro Plane, was the next antenna. Then a Hustler "Trumpet" 5/8th wave. Finally an Avanti Sigma 4. The Sigma 4 was by far the strongest. I had a local who was my signal reference. He had a Cobra Cam 89, and he would turn his RF gain all the way down. The signals he got from me on the various antennas were RS 1/2 wave: "S" 1 3/4, AP: "S" 1 1/2, Hustler: "S" 3. S4: "S" 4 Now it should be noted that the Astro Plane was at a disadvantage because it hung down below the top pf the mast, while the other antennas extended completely above it. I was also in a relative valley (125' ASL) with a clean shot only to the SW of me. Had I extended the mast another 10', the Astro Plane may have performed considerably better. I can't comment on receive performance because the main thing we were focused on back then was transmit strength. I also rarely talked to anyone more than 5 miles away on a regular basis (unless they were mobile), and the local bases in the area were all S9 or greater on my end, so any difference in received noise would have not been noticed under those conditions. I'm not surprised that "stick" antennas like the A99 and IMax performed worse than antennas with proper RF decoupling. Back in the 70's, we had the "Big Stick" antenna, but few ran them because they did not seem to perform as well as the "big metal monsters".
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 10, 2015 15:42:14 GMT -5
At the entrance to the Lehigh Valley tunnel there is a Super Scanner antenna on side of the buildings told my wife I had one of them back in the day good antenna. Yes! I've seen that. That's a leftover from when the turnpike people used to monitor channel 9 for traffic problems.
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Post by KneeBiter on Jan 10, 2015 15:54:20 GMT -5
Back in the early days my first base antenna was the Radio Shack .64 ground plane. I loved that antenna. It got out like no other. Then I got my first amplifier. As a kid I thought loud and power. Well after a few months the coil was gone. I then put up the Astroplane. I noticed a drop with the Astroplane back then. Back in the day everybody was an S9 or better because we all lived within a few miles or so and there were many.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 10, 2015 16:05:51 GMT -5
Back in the early days my first base antenna was the Radio Shack .64 ground plane. I loved that antenna. It got out like no other. Then I got my first amplifier. As a kid I thought loud and power. Well after a few months the coil was gone. I then put up the Astroplane. I noticed a drop with the Astroplane back then. Back in the day everybody was an S9 or better because we all lived within a few miles or so and there were many. Yep, sounds like you experienced the same general conditions that I did. The Radio Shack .64 wave looked suspiciously like a Hy-Gain Penetrator, except it utilized a loading coil instead of a gamma for impedance matching. But it did perform well. Night Ranger would probably agree as well. I had a friend who toasted a Radio Shack 5/8th wave with a Palomar Skipper 300. Those PC etched loading coils would only take about 250 watts or so. Luckily, my first amp was only about 65 watts....
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Post by No Streak on Jan 10, 2015 16:14:51 GMT -5
My first base antenna was a Radio Shack Archer 1/4 wave light blue fiberglass stick every time it rained the SWR went up hated that antenna. And it didn't preform that great either. When it got taken down I drove my car over it about 10 times so nobody else would be a victim of a bad antenna.
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 10, 2015 22:12:20 GMT -5
My first base antenna was a Radio Shack Archer 1/4 wave light blue fiberglass stick every time it rained the SWR went up hated that antenna. And it didn't preform that great either. When it got taken down I drove my car over it about 10 times so nobody else would be a victim of a bad antenna. We had a local that had one of those back in the 90's. He also had an amplifier that put out about 50 watts. Something went wrong with the amp and he gave it to me to fix. When I fixed it, I also made a couple of mods which boosted the power to over 75 watts. When he got the amp back, he ran it for a few days, then he started noticing his SWR slowly rising. Then all of a sudden it went infinite and he lost all receive and transmit from it. Long story short that extra 25+ watts was enough to burn out the antenna's matching network. So if anyone has one of those, don't run much power through it.
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Post by No Streak on Jan 10, 2015 22:18:43 GMT -5
I totally believe that this thing was a piece of dog dodo a total piece of shack!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 20:16:51 GMT -5
Today, I went to the my childhood's friend's house to install a new power supply and grab a couple radios he want me to look at. about 2 years ago, I got him back into CB by donating my restored TRC-455 to him. After 25+ years out of the hobby, I started a firestorm. He is so into it now.
Anyway, he bought me lunch, and I asked him when he is driving around, does he look for antenna on the roofs of houses? His response, "Everyday". LOL
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Post by Sandbagger on Jan 12, 2015 7:08:41 GMT -5
Today, I went to the my childhood's friend's house to install a new power supply and grab a couple radios he want me to look at. about 2 years ago, I got him back into CB by donating my restored TRC-455 to him. After 25+ years out of the hobby, I started a firestorm. He is so into it now. Anyway, he bought me lunch, and I asked him when he is driving around, does he look for antenna on the roofs of houses? His response, "Everyday". LOL You can take the guy away from radio, but you can't take the radio away from the guy..... There's something about making connections with activities from our youth that ignites good feelings.
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